[members-discuss] budget 2012

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> From: members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-
> bounces at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Thilo Bangert


> it's great to see people caring about issues at RIPE. IMHO it's not so
great
> that some seem to derail the discussion on the membership fees.
> 
> RIPE is growing and therefore they need more money. do the math - and
listen
> to what other people on this list say: while the budget is increasing
the
> individual membership fee is not (as much), since there're many more
> members to shoulder the burden.
Let's see what does it means for my company as small member in 2011: The
budget should be increased by 100% * (19317-17891)/17891 ~ 8%. My
membership fee should be increased (like 27% of other former small
members according the charging scheme) from 1800 (+150 for my
ASN+(ASN+PI)for a client) to 3000 (+150 for the same things).
100%*(3150-1950)/1950 ~61.5%. Can you prove your words about "the
individual membership fee is not (as much) [increased]"?

> also the increased budget is necessary to fund the
> actions decided upon by the community.
Maybe it's better to vote which actions should stay next year than just
fiddling about immortal RIPE activity "decided by the community"?

> 
> How many of those objecting the current budget have been involved in
shaping
> these actions? Given that the only suggestions seem to be cutting
meetings and
> trainings i get at strong impression that there has not been any
involvement
> at all...
Wrong assumption (at least according to me). I don't like to have the
conversations become personal. But could you explain - why the priceless
RIPE staff can live only in 5* hotels while they are out of RIPE NCC
office (for meetings, trainings, business)? Or why for a group of 12
people the training courses is planned in the 5* room facility? Nobody
asked for full stop of meetings and trainings, just increasing the
expenses seems chic at some time.
And if you really read all messages here you should know, that there are
many suggestions, not only optimizing trainings and meetings.
I was at the GM where the fee for independent resources was introduced.
Nobody answered plain questions asked by me about why the charging
scheme should be changed (all had agreed that we could live with old one
and have enough budget), why ASN selling is not "per resource" scheme
(really the main argument of RIPE NCC against "flat fee" now) and so on.
Empty meaning words as answers - the words we see here in the discussion
again.

> run-out-fairly requires extra work - but its most definitively the
small LIRs
> that profit from it and that is a good thing.
Several people asked for EXACT COUNTINGS. As soon as you suggested doing
math - give us problem situation!

> the increased service level with the much improved database tools etc.
The same as above - what is exact expenses and what for the increasing
expenses will go? What are going to be "new level of service" in
numbers?

> are much welcome investments well worth their money.
By whom?

> and no - this is no blank check for RIPE either. i still felt well
> represented as "the quiet majority" by the RIPE EB.
You are going to feel trouble when at the next GM (maybe not the exactly
next, but nearest) the quiet majority will be unable to outcount the
active dissenting. I'm going to be at the incoming GM and will ask very
uneasy questions.

Regards,
Vladislav Potapov
Ru.iiat


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