[members-discuss] Proposed 2012 Charging scheme, Board comments

Has anyone from RIPE said that the budget is 12M? 15M? 18M? Is just just 
speculation on the part of one member?

Has RIPE actually said what the cost per member is going to be? 

I've not seen anything sent to the list, but there seems to be plenty of
bad feeling about supposed massive price increases.

Simon

On Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 08:35:19AM +0100, Jon Morby wrote:
> 18m Euro?
> 
> Perhaps in these times of austerity we should be looking at reducing operating costs not increasing them. 
> 
> Even ?15m seems somewhat excessive in my mind despite the numerous benefits RIPE brings to the Internet as a whole (most of which we don't realise or see) :(
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 2 Oct 2011, at 19:51, "SPEEDNIC S.R.L. - RIPE Handling" <ripe-lir at speednic.eu> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Gert,
> > 
> > Am 02.10.2011 14:39, schrieb Gert Doering:
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> On Sun, Oct 02, 2011 at 11:10:23AM -0300, SPEEDNIC S.R.L. - RIPE Handling wrote:
> >>> As revewed the change matrix it means that like all membres will
> >>> increase one or two categories in the charging scheme. Only a very small
> >>> amount will decrease. This guess to us that the budget will increase a
> >>> lot too ?? Why RIPE NCC will need a so high budget for 2012 instead of
> >>> 2011 ??
> >> 
> >> The distribution of LIRs to charging categories happens in such a way
> >> that the resulting income will match the budget.  Normally the budget
> >> for 2012 should not be much higher than for 2011 (detailed numbers will
> >> usually be published before the AGM), so it looks like you have not used
> >> fully correct numbers.
> >> 
> >> Gert Doering
> >>         -- NetMaster
> > 
> > sorry but I must tell you that you're wrong. I have based the members 
> > (Budget 2011 - 7725 Members - from RIPE document 
> > https://www.ripe.net/lir-services/ncc/gm/november-2010/ChargingSchemeslides.pdf) 
> > with the change matrix of 2012 and have recalculated the fees with the 
> > following result :
> > 
> > Based on a calculation of 7725 members in Year 2011 the budget was about 
> > 15.190.750 EUR (based on 2011 charging prices) for the member fees.
> > 
> > Based on the new 2012 scheme the budget will be about 18.538.000 EUR 
> > (+/- a little bit in fact of rounding difference). So in total we can 
> > speak about an increase of more than 3.000.000 EUR (about +20% as for 
> > 2011) of the member fees !?!?!?!
> > 
> > In my calculation I don't putting in the PI space because the price of 
> > 50 EUR hasn't changed. I never seen that the costs will increase 20% 
> > within one year. So what you mean now ??
> > 
> > Best regards,
> >     Alexander Schoberl
> >       SPEEDNIC S.R.L.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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