[members-discuss] Need information

"direct assignment" is an ARIN term for PI space :P
think what you mean is this:

a direct payment relation between the end-user of PI space and RIPE NCC, 
with no LIR in between

"direct assignment" end-users have PI space for their own setup,
and are a direct customer of ripe (pay about the same as LIRs so then
they can just as well become a LIR while they're at it ;)

there is virtually no advantage to this structure over just becoming a 
lir.

they cannot make sub assignments (as its PI, not PA space)  and lately 
ripe is even making trouble about it being used for shared webhosting
as that "appearantly" also assigns ips to "end users of the end user"..
(ehh.. how is webhosting different from lets say a gameserver or a
telephone exchange - ripe is on crack - with shared webhosting
there is also no such thing as "sub assigning individual ips to 
individual end-users, you assign an x-amount of users to an ip, not an 
x-amount of ips to 1 end-user ;)

they only recently started to make problems about that tho ;)

LIRs can request both PI (for customers) and PA space/ASNs (and delegate 
it to customers or themselves)

when registering PI space (what arin calls "direct assignment"),
RIPE will usually try to get your customer to become a LIR themselves, and 
seems to confuse LIRs with ISPs quite a lot (making it quite useless to be 
a lir as its pretty much impossible to do what a lir is supposed to do, 
make money on PI and ASN registrations, as each and every time ripe will 
try to sell -them- a LIR-membership themselves ;)

ofcourse a LIR is simply a buro that registers PI address space or PA ip 
subdelegations and ASNs on behalf of third 
parties, and does not nessesarily even -own- infrastructure itself, but 
ripe seems to somehow confuse LIRs with ISPs..

(despite the fact that you can perfectly well treat PA space as PI space 
and simply not route the parts of it you pimp out to customers, which they 
can then route themselves, so even with their attempts to "prefer" PA 
over PI, you can still just give customers semi PI space without much 
trouble ;) (nobody ever said you had to route it over your OWN ASn's ;)

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On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, AXINET -- Laurent wrote:

> Dear sir, Dear madam,
>
> I need some precisions please.
>
> Can you explain me the difference between "Direct Assignment Users" and "LIRs" ?
>
> The LIRs can make IP assignments for their own customers (for example) and Direct
> Assignment Users can't. Is it correct ?
>
> Best regards,
> Laurent Clin
> AXINET
> France