[members-discuss] Surprise on renew fees

Well, if the new 2012 charging scheme was processed, then it will be based
on amount of resource we are using.

Otherwise, as new comer(we too.), we pay more than old ones. it does make
for new start-up more difficult in some ways, and protected the old ones.
as the argument that the time the Lir have got the IP address which then it
was "cheaper", doesn't really stand on it's ground, because today, the new
IP and old IP has same value. For example, if you have 1Million dollar by
1990, if you kept till today at home, you still spend the money as it is
today's 1 million dollar, but not the real money converted to today's
value(which will be way more than 1M due to inflation).

The same goes for IP, if IP's price goes up, it not only benefits the new
comer who got the IP but also the old ones who already had the IP. If
everybody is holding something has same value, why one party should be
paying more while another should be paying less.

I had a discussion with one of Ripe people, we also both think that Ripe
might should be charging member based on amount of IP they are using(which
is "real fair"), but they cannot do it. I don't know if everybody realize
this:  Most large company spend less on their millions IP than their
coffees(Think of that, in per IP costs term, the one in extra large are
paying 5500 Euro for about 10 million IPs, which means 0.00000055
Euro/Ip/year for them, while for small ones around 50 cents/ip/year, which
is almost 1 million times more expensive than what the large ones paying).
So the solution might be raise the "large" member's fee and lower small
member's fee, which was exactly what charging scheme was trying to do. My
personal opinion on the new charging scheme, it just was not raise enough
for the extra large ones. otherwise it will get pass:)

But on the other side of the story, I mean the current fees are only
few thousands euro a year, it is less costs then anything else in your
business, your server, you data center, your peering, it is almost the
cheapest thing in this business,  I do think ripe is very efficiency
organization based on what amount of resource it's managing.  Even though I
do think it might not be very fair for most small ones and new comers, but
personally I complaint on something already happened might not be a very
good idea, it might be more worth to spend more than discuss the 2013's
charging scheme will looks like. See if we can get more fair this time:)

Lu

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 11:50 PM, Paolo Di Francesco <
paolo.difrancesco at level7.it> wrote:

> Regarding the IPv4 fee policy, I am still of the opinion that the more
> IPv4 address space you use, the more you pay (per IP).
>
> Or we would not call it "scarse resource".
>
> Just my 2 Euro Cents.
>
>
>
>
> > We have received the message with fees for year 2012, and we've been
> > surprised, because we've been 'upgraded' from extra-small to small.
> >
> > I feel quite strange being now classified as small, because we are using
> > the smallest assignment possible (one /21 IPv4, one /32 IPv6, one AS).
> >
> > I studied the computational algorithm for assigning points, and I feel
> > quite strange points for IPv4 being calculated this way:
> >      (first year of allocation LESS 1992) * IPv4 units; in our case,
> > this means => 2011 - 1992 * 1 => 19.
> >
> > See
> >
> http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/member-support/info/billing/how-to-calculate-a-billing-score
> > for scoring method.
> >
> > This means every one asking first block allocation after year 2008 will
> > be classified SMALL, despite of his real dimensions and resources.
> >
> > This is quite punishing for new comers like us, and not fair at all as a
> > fee computing method.
> > It looks like more we asked far from year 1992, more we have to pay. I
> > don't see really a logic in this method.
> >
> > Any opinion? Can someone enlight me please?
> >
> > Antonio Nati
> >
> >
> >
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