[members-discuss] New Charging Scheme

don't get me wrong, they're perfectly free to run whatever the fuck they 
want over -their- networks, and sell it to their customers, just that they 
should not complain if all of a sudden, facebook, google, porn, and the 
piratebay etc are no longer on their part of the internet *grin*

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On Sat, 6 Aug 2011, Redi Tela wrote:

> The problem is, big players have lots of IPv4 addresses so they don't care
> about switching to dual-stack or IPv6. Small LIRs have small networks but
> nobody cares about their opinion:)
>
> Probably charging more $$ to big players will push them to release
> not-in-use IPv4 or switch to IPv6
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: members-discuss-admin at ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-admin at ripe.net]
> On Behalf Of Sven Olaf Kamphuis
> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 12:14 PM
> To: Redi Tela
> Cc: 'Brandon Butterworth'; jblessing at llnw.com; members-discuss at ripe.net
> Subject: RE: [members-discuss] New Charging Scheme
>
> there comes a time where you have to ask: are you running a business, or a
> museum :P keeping ipv4 around just for old times sake... oh well..
>
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> Sven Olaf Kamphuis,
> CB3ROB Ltd. & Co. KG
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> On Sat, 6 Aug 2011, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:
>
>> Yes, sure, ipv4 will be around for quite a few decades to come, in older
>> packet radio networks, military tactical internet, configuration vlans of
>> older equipment, etc, but it has no future on the internet.
>>
>> those "few well known sites" is all it takes, really.
>>
>> eyeballs -> few well known sites
>>
>> and the rest is pretty much -irrelevant-, and simply will have to follow,
> or
>> die.
>>
>> and yes, we have run dual stack for the past few years (triple stack if
> you
>> consider that we also run X.25 for emergency networks should the internet
>> ever fail due to military intervention or crisis situations ;)
>>
>> we'd very much like to see the intarrwebz ditch ipv4 however, it has no
>> future, there is no need to develop for it (neither software, nor billing
>> models ;), get over it.
>>
>>
>>
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>> Greetings,
>>
>> Sven Olaf Kamphuis,
>> CB3ROB Ltd. & Co. KG
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>> On Sat, 6 Aug 2011, Redi Tela wrote:
>>
>>> Have you guys tried IPV6 ? IPv4 is not dead at all, it will be here for
>>> years. There are only about 6K prefixes and you can only browse just a
> few
>>> 'well-known' sites.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: members-discuss-admin at ripe.net
>>> [mailto:members-discuss-admin at ripe.net]
>>> On Behalf Of Brandon Butterworth
>>> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:22 PM
>>> To: jblessing at llnw.com; sven at cb3rob.net
>>> Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net
>>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New Charging Scheme
>>>
>>>> regarding the ipv4 address space, we've actually tried to announce some
>>>> e-class space over the past days, appearantly, most, if not all, routers
>>>> filter it.
>>>
>>> Interesting, but doesn't matter, v4 is dead, get over it (as you
>>> eloquently explained previously)
>>>
>>>> furthermore, we've found a bunch of legacy ranges, which are not
>>>> announced at all, so if the DoD and IBM would be kind enough to hand
>>>> them over to ARIN/IANA, that would be appreciated
>>>
>>> No, that'd just give people an excuse to put off v6 for even longer.
>>>
>>> v6 or die.
>>>
>>>> don't see why "the prudential insurance company of america" would need
> an
>>>> /8, clearly they don't see the point of it themselves either, as they
>>>> don't announce a single ip out of it :P
>>>
>>> You're not allocating it to them so it doesn't matter what point
>>> you see.
>>>
>>> Back when it may have been of use I agreed, space allocated for non
>>> internet use could have been considered a different non overlapping
>>> realm and the entire space used on the internet regardless of any
>>> private allocations for non internet use. However that wasn't how it
>>> was chosen to be done and again it no longer matters as it's history
>>> now.
>>>
>>> brandon
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