[members-discuss] New Charging Scheme

> 2009 pricing policy when it was discussed to change the overall process 
> due to v4 shortage.
> We should have done that right then and then.

actually, that was a policy from 2007 already, which only took effect 
2009/2010

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On Thu, 4 Aug 2011, Kordogiannis Themistoklis wrote:

> After two days of discussion I'm still trying to find out with all these
> emails whether the scope is
> 	1) to stop people from asking for IPs by means of charging
> 	2) Need to raise more money and try to find a way to relate that to IP's
>
> And also if
> 	3) we'll apply this also to v6 later or just for short term v4? (just for next year??)
>
> In the first case my question is why this is raised now and not since 2010 or even
> 2009 pricing policy when it was discussed to change the overall process due to v4 shortage.
> We should have done that right then and then.
>
> Even more, usage based pricing, it's like punishing a LIR for being good in their market
> And are able to attract customers. I'm not even considering what was said with regard
> to objects in the database, since someone that sells service with single IP to each customer,
> only needs one object in the DB (or a few for each IP block, but no direct link/relation
> between customer and DB objects), in relation to a LIR that needs to maintain multiple
> object - one per customer - for larger allocations. I don't really believe LIR's with
> 100s of object vs small with 10s of objects is something new, it's been this way all these years,
> Hense the categories of charging.
>
> I can understand also what was said about future LIR's that will come into the market
> After 2013/2014, when for sure/probably(?) RIPE will have no more v4, so they'll be forced
> To provide only v6 services, but why "punishing" all existing LIRs/SPs/companies
> because of slow adaptation of v6? (I mean look at the new issue that has come up with
> Apple OS's that chooses v4 vs v6 depending on delays on the network!!!!!!!!! - NOT happy-eyeballs approach,
> talk about slow down insentives).
>
> And what about companies that have i.e. a /16 and with today's rules don't need more than a /26 or even a /27
> ( I know of at least one or two in my region). I have to provide tones of statistics to get a /15,/16 for broadband
> And there are these companies that have /17,/16 for the corporate offices doing NAT and only 1% of their space is used.
>
> In the second case, I can understand the need to revisit charges due to possible
> Increased/new costs on the part of the NCC and it's operations, but again I can't see the
> relation with the size of address space one company has, with regard to differentiating
> from the existing method that is.
>
> On the other hand maybe I've been lost in all these emails and completely lost track of the reasoning!!!
>
> BR
> Themis
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: members-discuss-admin at ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-
>> admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of SPEEDNIC S.R.L. - RIPE Handling
>> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 4:09 PM
>> To: members-discuss at ripe.net
>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New Charging Scheme
>>
>> On 04/08/2011 10:39, Simon Lockhart wrote:
>>>
>>>> For example, here's another pricing model which could work (prices
>>>> completely
>>>> made up on the spot, so don't judge fairness on the numbers I use):
>>>>
>>>> Membership Fee (per year): EUR 1000
>>>>
>>>> Per allocation costs:
>>>> First Year Subsequent Years
>>>> IPv4 (up to /22): EUR 100 EUR 50
>>>> IPv4 (/21 to /20): EUR 200 EUR 50
>>>> IPv4 (/19 to /16): EUR 400 EUR 100
>>>> IPv4 (/15 to /12): EUR 800 EUR 100
>>>> IPv4 (over /12): EUR 1500 EUR 200
>>>>
>>>> IPv6 (/32): EUR 100 EUR 50
>>>> IPv6 (Over /32): EUR 400 EUR 50
>>>>
>>>> ASN: EUR 100 EUR 50
>>>>
>>>> Other objects: EUR 400 EUR 50
>>>>
>>>> In here, the membership fee is designed to cover all the other RIPE
>>>> services -
>>>> Atlas, Labs, Meetings, etc, etc. There is of course the option to
>> have a
>>>> "Membership Lite" at a reduced rate with restrictions (only one
>> IPv4,
>>>> one IPv6
>>>> and one ASN allocation, no access to other services or RIPE
>> meetings).
>>
>> I think a "usage-membership-fee" would be much better as a
>> "fix-based-fee" because in relation to a LIR in Medium category and one
>> in high one the smaller LIRs will be a lot more than he will use.
>>
>> I guess a "usage" depending on the resouces who will be used is much
>> better because it should not be that a big company which have 100times
>> more IP addresses will pay only the double price as a other LIR in a
>> smaller category.
>>
>> So the fairnest way is to say - fixed membership fee (based on
>> meetings,
>> personal costs, etc.) and a resouce usage fee (based on IPv4 and IPv6
>> addresses). /19 = 8160 IP - so like 1 IP for 0,01 = 81,6 Euro, if one
>> has a /16 hee will pay 65025 IP = 650,25 Euro and so on.
>>
>> Only a fee which will reflect the resources will be fine because
>> otherwise each bigger LIR will not be carefull with IPv4 addresses and
>> will order even more because the cost will be the same.
>>
>> bye alex
>>
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