[members-discuss] Response to queries on Charging Scheme Models

why even take the trouble to adjust the billing model to obsolete crap 
like ipv4 address blocks anyway... its not worth the trouble anymore.

if we come up with a new billing structure, primarily based on ipv4 -now- 
we are going to have to change it AGAIN once nobody gives a flying fuck 
about v4 anymore (anytime soon now :P

think its best to just leave it as it is for a few months-years and change 
it AFTER ipv6 only networks are the de-facto standard.

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On Tue, 2 Aug 2011, Frank Louwers wrote:

> Jochem,
>
> Thank you for your added comments. Can you comment on two items:
>
> - The XXS category gets the "mini-LIR" less than a /21. Current minimum assignment is a /21. Does that change?
>
> - With very cheap XXS prices, and no strictly enforced multihoming requirements, it would seem a lot of "we need a /23 + 1 ASN" PI non-LIRs, will go that route. Is that the purpose of the XXS mini-LIR, or a side-effect?
>
> Regards,
>
> Frank
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> On 02 Aug 2011, at 16:37, Jochem de Ruig wrote:
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>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> Many thanks for raising these issues. This feedback is valuable for the Executive Board and Senior Management in arriving at the Charging Scheme to be presented.
>>
>> In response to members' queries, the two Charging Scheme models aim to maintain, as they currently are, the sponsoring contracts between LIRs and End Users for PI assignments or ASNs.
>>
>> It may not have been fully clear, but the Direct Assignment Users (DAUs) mentioned in the Charging Scheme document only refers to the DAUs that have a direct contractual relationship with the RIPE NCC. This follows from RIPE Policy Proposal 2007-01. The XXS category in the charging schemes caters for these DAUs.
>>
>> Also, there is no intention to increase the RIPE NCC financial reserve.
>>
>> The service fees mentioned are based on:
>> - The current expense forecast for 2012
>> - The current membership growth forecast
>> - Running a break-even budget (not adding to the RIPE NCC financial reserve)
>>
>> Many members noted that the fees in both models are identical. To support the discussion, we will provide an indication of the fees in Model 2 based on current PI assignment information. This will be available tomorrow.
>>
>> Note that the fees shown in the models are indications. At this point in time, it is not possible to properly estimate the number of PI assignments there will be and how much revenue these PI assignments will generate. This is also due to the fact that Phase 3 of Policy Proposal 2007-01 is ongoing. Because the revenue for both models will be identical, the fees in Model 2 will be lower per category than those in Model 1.
>>
>> We will update the pages with the change matrix, give the expected number of members per category for the two Charging Scheme models and show indicated fees for Model 2. We will also add clarification regarding PI resource holders. This will be available shortly.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>>
>> Jochem de Ruig
>> Chief Financial Officer
>> RIPE NCC
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