[members-discuss] Re: New RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Models: Feedback Required

well, frankly, we don't give a fuck about people with old ciscos with 64MB 
ram... if you don't have a few gigabytes of ram by now in your routers, 
gtfo of the business :P

so address space aggregation, is of no concern at all.

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On Tue, 2 Aug 2011, Daniel Suchy wrote:

> On 08/02/2011 02:52 PM, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:
>> On Mon, 1 Aug 2011, Daniel Suchy wrote:
>>> (and
>>> there're some organisations/LIRs activelly selling PI address space as
>>> their "service", charging much more [more than double] than they pay for
>>> the resource in RIPE).
>>
>> THIS my friend, is EXACTLY what a LIR is supposed to do. register ip
>> space for third parties and charge them for the service.
>>
>> the whole LIR == ISP crap, is a misinterpretation of the tasks of both
>> RIPE and LIRS, as is the fact that they encourage potential LIR
>> customers of becoming a LIR themselves, rather than paying a LIR to
>> register PI space for them (the legal aspects of which, are questionable
>> as well, after all, LIRS pay RIPE to enable them to register PI space,
>> not for RIPE to steal their customers ;)
>>
>
> Yes, LIR register addresses for their customers and charges them. That's
> clear.
>
> But, one of goals of LIR system (and internet registry system in
> general) is address space aggregation. And by the (resselled) PI space,
> this goal isn't reached at all - with PI, there's no aggregation. This
> is very often forgotten by some LIRs.
>
> "PI for everyone" is also one misinterpretation of LIR tasks. End users
> should be aware about the fact, that ISP(LIR) change does mean
> renumbering of their network and PI isn't here just because someone End
> users doesn't like this annoying job. LIR should learn about this their
> End users - but many LIRs doesn't do this part of their job.
>
> - Daniel
>