[members-discuss] RIPE invoice 2010-I

Hi Sven,

in regards to the AS, I can see, where that is a bit of a bummer alright.

/Martin


Martin List-Petersen wrote:
> No.
> 
> The understanding from the GM was quite clear, that all PI ressources
> would be billed, be it your own infrastructure or not. There is no
> difference to PI, be it your infrastructure or a customers. There's only
> a difference between PA and PI. Only PA is in the point based billing
> system.
> 
> PI ressources from before weren't billed at all, be they your
> infrastructure or not.
> 
> That was pretty clear to anybody, I think.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Martin List-Petersen
> Airwire
> 
> 
> Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:
>> From RIPE's reply:
>>
>> which indeed, doesn't state that -YOUR OWN- AS won't be billed extra,
>> but rather "The only difference between 'my infrastructure' and 'my
>> end-user' is
>> that you don't need to upload a contract."
>>
>> So the end result of the 2007-1 policy is that we can now all pay extra
>> cash to ripe for something we already had...
>>
>> Funny that, because I always was  under the impression that entries
>> marked as "own infrastructure" would remain in the normal points-based
>> billing model... seeing the replies so far, i take it most other LIRs
>> were too :P
>>
>> ripes reply:
>>
>> It was communicated through our website:
>>
>> http://ripe.net/rs/pi-existing-assignments.html
>>
>> And at the moment that you could make a selection for the resources
>> through the LIR portal there was a link 'What are the consequences of
>> my choice?  (click to expand...)'
>>
>> If you clicked on it you would get the following pop-up:
>>
>> * My Infrastructure: If you have selected this option you will not
>>   have to upload a contract and registration papers, as these
>>   resources are assigned to your LIR's own infrastructure and are
>>   covered by the Standard Service Agreement you have signed with the
>>   RIPE NCC.
>>
>> * The RIPE NCC will audit all resources listed as 'My
>>   Infrastructure'. These resources are included in the charging scheme
>>   2010. My End User: If you have selected this option the independent
>>   resource will stay registered with your LIR. You will have to upload
>>   an Independent Assignment Request and Maintenance Agreement between
>>   your LIR and the End User and the End User's company registration
>>   papers, before 1st March 2010. These resources are included in the
>>   charging scheme 2010.
>>
>> * Not my End User: If you select this option the independent resource
>>   will be removed from your LIR's records. These resources are marked
>>   and excluded from the charging scheme 2010. Eventually these
>>   resources will also be removed from your LIR Portal.
>>
>> The only difference between 'my infrastructure' and 'my end-user' is
>> that you don't need to upload a contract.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:
>>
>>>> Have you marked your AS number such way?
>>> Yes, I did, RIPE in the meanwhile has sent us another couple of emails
>>> persisting in their claim that AS numbers, also the ones used by the
>>> LIRs themselves are billed seperately with the new independant
>>> resources system...
>>>
>>> So if everyone would like, check their invoice they got a few days ago,
>>> they'd find they now have to pay extra for their -own- as...
>>>
>>> way to go ripe.
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Eugene Grosbein wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:
>>>>> we noticed ripe bills as numbers in use by the LIR -themselves-
>>>>> as "Independant resources" rather than the points-based billing model..
>>>>>
>>>>> surely this was not what the 2007-1 policy was intended to do?
>>>>>
>>>>> i'd say AS numbers in use by the lir themselves fall under the normal
>>>>> points model still, just like PA ipv4 and ipv6 resources...
>>>>>
>>>>> exactly  what is so "independant" about our OWN  AS number remains
>>>>> unclear
>>>>> to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> scrape a few extra bucks for ripe.
>>>>>
>>>>> RIPE billing department in the mean while claims that this is not an
>>>>> error...
>>>> Last year I've got such remark from RIPE:
>>>>
>>>>> If this AS number is in use by your LIR, you can select the option "My
>>>>> Infrastructure" in the interface provided in the LIR Portal:
>>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/lirportal/index.html
>>>>> LIR Portal -> Independent Resources
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope this clarifies.
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrea Cima
>>>>> RIPE NCC
>>>> Have you marked your AS number such way?
>>>>
>>>> Eugene Grosbein
>>>>
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