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Martin List-Petersen
martin at airwire.ie
Tue Mar 2 14:46:24 CET 2010
Hi Sven, in regards to the AS, I can see, where that is a bit of a bummer alright. /Martin Martin List-Petersen wrote: > No. > > The understanding from the GM was quite clear, that all PI ressources > would be billed, be it your own infrastructure or not. There is no > difference to PI, be it your infrastructure or a customers. There's only > a difference between PA and PI. Only PA is in the point based billing > system. > > PI ressources from before weren't billed at all, be they your > infrastructure or not. > > That was pretty clear to anybody, I think. > > Kind regards, > Martin List-Petersen > Airwire > > > Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote: >> From RIPE's reply: >> >> which indeed, doesn't state that -YOUR OWN- AS won't be billed extra, >> but rather "The only difference between 'my infrastructure' and 'my >> end-user' is >> that you don't need to upload a contract." >> >> So the end result of the 2007-1 policy is that we can now all pay extra >> cash to ripe for something we already had... >> >> Funny that, because I always was under the impression that entries >> marked as "own infrastructure" would remain in the normal points-based >> billing model... seeing the replies so far, i take it most other LIRs >> were too :P >> >> ripes reply: >> >> It was communicated through our website: >> >> http://ripe.net/rs/pi-existing-assignments.html >> >> And at the moment that you could make a selection for the resources >> through the LIR portal there was a link 'What are the consequences of >> my choice? (click to expand...)' >> >> If you clicked on it you would get the following pop-up: >> >> * My Infrastructure: If you have selected this option you will not >> have to upload a contract and registration papers, as these >> resources are assigned to your LIR's own infrastructure and are >> covered by the Standard Service Agreement you have signed with the >> RIPE NCC. >> >> * The RIPE NCC will audit all resources listed as 'My >> Infrastructure'. These resources are included in the charging scheme >> 2010. My End User: If you have selected this option the independent >> resource will stay registered with your LIR. You will have to upload >> an Independent Assignment Request and Maintenance Agreement between >> your LIR and the End User and the End User's company registration >> papers, before 1st March 2010. These resources are included in the >> charging scheme 2010. >> >> * Not my End User: If you select this option the independent resource >> will be removed from your LIR's records. These resources are marked >> and excluded from the charging scheme 2010. Eventually these >> resources will also be removed from your LIR Portal. >> >> The only difference between 'my infrastructure' and 'my end-user' is >> that you don't need to upload a contract. >> >> >> >> On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote: >> >>>> Have you marked your AS number such way? >>> Yes, I did, RIPE in the meanwhile has sent us another couple of emails >>> persisting in their claim that AS numbers, also the ones used by the >>> LIRs themselves are billed seperately with the new independant >>> resources system... >>> >>> So if everyone would like, check their invoice they got a few days ago, >>> they'd find they now have to pay extra for their -own- as... >>> >>> way to go ripe. >>> >>> On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Eugene Grosbein wrote: >>> >>>> Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote: >>>>> we noticed ripe bills as numbers in use by the LIR -themselves- >>>>> as "Independant resources" rather than the points-based billing model.. >>>>> >>>>> surely this was not what the 2007-1 policy was intended to do? >>>>> >>>>> i'd say AS numbers in use by the lir themselves fall under the normal >>>>> points model still, just like PA ipv4 and ipv6 resources... >>>>> >>>>> exactly what is so "independant" about our OWN AS number remains >>>>> unclear >>>>> to me. >>>>> >>>>> scrape a few extra bucks for ripe. >>>>> >>>>> RIPE billing department in the mean while claims that this is not an >>>>> error... >>>> Last year I've got such remark from RIPE: >>>> >>>>> If this AS number is in use by your LIR, you can select the option "My >>>>> Infrastructure" in the interface provided in the LIR Portal: >>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/lirportal/index.html >>>>> LIR Portal -> Independent Resources >>>>> >>>>> I hope this clarifies. >>>>> Kind regards, >>>>> >>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>> RIPE NCC >>>> Have you marked your AS number such way? >>>> >>>> Eugene Grosbein >>>> >>> ---- If you don't want to receive mails from the RIPE NCC Members >>> Discuss list, please log in to your LIR Portal account at: >>> http://lirportal.ripe.net/ >>> First click on General and then click on Edit. >>> At the bottom of the Page you can add or remove addresses. >> ---- If you don't want to receive mails from the RIPE NCC Members >> Discuss list, please log in to your LIR Portal account at: >> http://lirportal.ripe.net/ >> First click on General and then click on Edit. >> At the bottom of the Page you can add or remove addresses. > >
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