[members-discuss] RIPE invoice 2010-I

>From RIPE's reply:

which indeed, doesn't state that -YOUR OWN- AS won't be billed extra, but 
rather "The only difference between 'my infrastructure' and 'my end-user' is
that you don't need to upload a contract."

So the end result of the 2007-1 policy is that we can now all pay extra 
cash to ripe for something we already had...

Funny that, because I always was  under the impression that entries marked 
as "own infrastructure" would remain in the normal points-based billing 
model... seeing the replies so far, i take it most other LIRs were too :P

ripes reply:

It was communicated through our website:

http://ripe.net/rs/pi-existing-assignments.html

And at the moment that you could make a selection for the resources
through the LIR portal there was a link 'What are the consequences of
my choice?  (click to expand...)'

If you clicked on it you would get the following pop-up:

* My Infrastructure: If you have selected this option you will not
   have to upload a contract and registration papers, as these
   resources are assigned to your LIR's own infrastructure and are
   covered by the Standard Service Agreement you have signed with the
   RIPE NCC.

* The RIPE NCC will audit all resources listed as 'My
   Infrastructure'. These resources are included in the charging scheme
   2010. My End User: If you have selected this option the independent
   resource will stay registered with your LIR. You will have to upload
   an Independent Assignment Request and Maintenance Agreement between
   your LIR and the End User and the End User's company registration
   papers, before 1st March 2010. These resources are included in the
   charging scheme 2010.

* Not my End User: If you select this option the independent resource
   will be removed from your LIR's records. These resources are marked
   and excluded from the charging scheme 2010. Eventually these
   resources will also be removed from your LIR Portal.

The only difference between 'my infrastructure' and 'my end-user' is
that you don't need to upload a contract.



On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:

>> Have you marked your AS number such way?
>
> Yes, I did, RIPE in the meanwhile has sent us another couple of emails 
> persisting in their claim that AS numbers, also the ones used by the LIRs 
> themselves are billed seperately with the new independant resources system...
>
> So if everyone would like, check their invoice they got a few days ago,
> they'd find they now have to pay extra for their -own- as...
>
> way to go ripe.
>
> On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Eugene Grosbein wrote:
>
>> Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:
>>> we noticed ripe bills as numbers in use by the LIR -themselves-
>>> as "Independant resources" rather than the points-based billing model..
>>> 
>>> surely this was not what the 2007-1 policy was intended to do?
>>> 
>>> i'd say AS numbers in use by the lir themselves fall under the normal
>>> points model still, just like PA ipv4 and ipv6 resources...
>>> 
>>> exactly  what is so "independant" about our OWN  AS number remains unclear
>>> to me.
>>> 
>>> scrape a few extra bucks for ripe.
>>> 
>>> RIPE billing department in the mean while claims that this is not an
>>> error...
>> 
>> Last year I've got such remark from RIPE:
>> 
>>> If this AS number is in use by your LIR, you can select the option "My
>>> Infrastructure" in the interface provided in the LIR Portal:
>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/lirportal/index.html
>>> LIR Portal -> Independent Resources
>>> 
>>> I hope this clarifies.
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> Andrea Cima
>>> RIPE NCC
>> 
>> Have you marked your AS number such way?
>> 
>> Eugene Grosbein
>> 
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