[members-discuss] Discuss Charging Scheme 2010

And sadly it is a precedent ... EUR50 this year .... EUR500 the year  
after ... EUR5000 the year after that ??

Once it has been agreed in principal that we RIPE should start  
charging for an assignment, it is then possible for "the few" who are  
able to make it to these RIPE jollies^Wmeetings all over Europe and  
steer the policies then do so to their best interests.

We've seen this recently with Nominet in the UK where by they now have  
2 tiers of access, and it is no longer a "level playing field" for all  
members .. you have members, and you have "elite" members

I totally agree that RIPE have been needlessly steering everyone into  
becoming an LIR when they only need a small assignment, and this has  
lead to a waste of IP allocations .. however my understanding is that  
this policy isn't designed to limit PA space assignments anyway ... it  
is designed to make PI harder to obtain, thus steering yet more people  
into the LIR route (whether they need to be an LIR or not) ...

How many LIRs find RIPE referring customers to them because they  
needed an assignment?  Few I suspect - they all either get told "go  
find one from this list" or otherwise "become an LIR" and pay the  
small LIR fee.

Maybe its just me only seeing the glass as half full?

Jon

On 19 Jun 2009, at 09:16, Heidrich Attila wrote:

> I think you do.
>
> Consider the domain registration. The registrator is kinda "service
> provider" whether it serves any kind of access/hosting/content/DNS or
> whatever, and the end user is the only "independent" user of the named
> resource - but not owner.
>
> I think this is very similar to the PI assignments. In Hungary this is
> normal the regitrstor having a one time enrollment feer, a yearly fee
> (well, this contains registration fees for the whole amount), and
> per-transaction fees after all new registration, transfers, and
> prolongals.
>
> I do not think EUR50 to be so big problem, but we are an ISP, so  
> this is
> quite normal for us to have the customer pay after allocating  
> resources
> of any kind.
>
> Attila
>
> -----Eredeti üzenet-----
>
>> Not every LIR is an ISP, a lot of them are. If you assign PI to  
>> somebody
>> else, you have a provider/enduser relationship. That makes you a  
>> service
>> provider of some sort. Be it internet, content or hosting.
>
> no, you dont.
>
> the customer usually asks to just register ip space and an AS number  
> which
> he then announces himself to transits of -his- choice.
>
>
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