[members-discuss] Discuss Charging Scheme 2010 (fwd)

> It's not charging retroactively. Retroactively charging for the PI space
> would be sending invoices out for every year from '92 to to date, which
> is not happening.
>
> What is happening that the price has changed from 0 to 50 EUR/year
> (well, the draft price).

mind you that PI registrants never agreed to any contract that allows
"price changes" and that "choosing" to have their allocations removeed
instead of either paying a LIR, with whom they would usually have an
agreement that only covers a one time payment, or several thousand euros
to ripe directly, OR GIVE UP THEIR ALLOCATIONS and therefore cause
significant damage to their business :P is pure blackmail.

you cant first tell someone "sure we will register ip sppace for your
company, please pay 2500 euros which covers our work and the first 2 years
in which potentially our ripe-score could be affected by this registration
(PI and AS numbers only count for 2 years in the score), and then go
"oops, now you have to either pay a few 1000 to ripe OR a few hundred to
us (most customers have as numberrs AND PI space)"...

thats blackmail.

also ARIN doesnt charge their "new" DirectAssignment fee to "old" direct
assignments, and ripe never tried to bill PRE-RIR registrations either.

there probably is a very good reason for that...

implementing a new pricelist? fine.. but only for new customers.

mind you: direct assignments can be revoked if their use is no longer in
agreement with the original provided reasons, so there is no problem in
checking all of them if they are actually used for the original purpose,
there is a problem in forcing people to pay and threatten to remove their
ip assignments if they dont, if  there are no agreements covering that.

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On Thu, 18 Jun 2009, Martin List-Petersen wrote:

> Hank Nussbacher wrote:
> > On Thu, 18 Jun 2009, Andrea Cima wrote:
> >
> >>> 4) " - Direct assignments will have a recurring charge per assignment
> >>> and the
> >>> fee will be EUR 50 per direct assignment" - Operates for all direct
> >>> assignments? or Only new direct assignments (included after 3 May,
> >>> 2009)?
> >>
> >> All Assignments made since 1992 will be included.
> >
> > I have stated it before and I'll state it again - changing the billing
> > rules retroactively is wrong.  Maybe even EU legally wrong.  Allocations
> > made in the 1990s should not be billed.  By all means recover
> > unannounced allocations by whatever means necessary, but charging LIRs
> > for allocations made in 1995 is wrong.
> >
>
> It's not charging retroactively. Retroactively charging for the PI space
> would be sending invoices out for every year from '92 to to date, which
> is not happening.
>
> What is happening that the price has changed from 0 to 50 EUR/year
> (well, the draft price).
>
> It's like an update of pricing or the terms and conditions, so you can
> consider to either give your allocation back and won't be charged in the
> future or you'll pay the price.
>
> This has nothing to do with retroactively charging. It's just a change
> of the fee from now and on.
>
> Kind regards,
> Martin List-Petersen
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>
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