[members-discuss] Discuss Charging Scheme 2010

Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:
>> The product that the customer buys of the LIR should be giving more than
>> 50 EUR/year revenue, if not, you might not be in business for long.
> 
> LIRS are NOT isps!


Not every LIR is an ISP, a lot of them are. If you assign PI to somebody
else, you have a provider/enduser relationship. That makes you a service
provider of some sort. Be it internet, content or hosting.


> the "product" bought from a LIR is the registration of IP space, usually
> at at one-time single payment that covered the increase in the billing
> score for 2 years if applicable and the administrative work.
> 
> there are no "services" or "products" a LIR normally sells.


You have to have a contractual relationship with the enduser that has PI
now. You know that, right ?


> and there also is no question of "circumventing ripe membership fees"
> as those only apply to LIRs (that is, people willing to register IP space
> for others).

Or entities, that don't want to deal with a LIR.


> the fact that -most- LIRs are part of an ISP or even some ASPs that fell
> for ripes jedi-mind-trick and became a LIR themselves, doesnt mean they
> HAVE to be part of an ISP.

There are very few LIRs, that aren't providing some commercial product.
And even then 50 EUR/year is compared to the money they probably pay for
connectivity:
near to nothing.

Anyhow, this whole matter was also already raised at the GM.

Kind regards,
Martin List-Petersen
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