[members-discuss] Discuss Charging Scheme 2010

Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:
>> It's not charging retroactively. Retroactively charging for the PI space
>> would be sending invoices out for every year from '92 to to date, which
>> is not happening.
>>
>> What is happening that the price has changed from 0 to 50 EUR/year
>> (well, the draft price).
> 
> mind you that PI registrants never agreed to any contract that allows
> "price changes" and that "choosing" to have their allocations removeed
> instead of either paying a LIR, with whom they would usually have an
> agreement that only covers a one time payment, or several thousand euros
> to ripe directly, OR GIVE UP THEIR ALLOCATIONS and therefore cause
> significant damage to their business :P is pure blackmail.
> 
> you cant first tell someone "sure we will register ip sppace for your
> company, please pay 2500 euros which covers our work and the first 2 years
> in which potentially our ripe-score could be affected by this registration
> (PI and AS numbers only count for 2 years in the score), and then go
> "oops, now you have to either pay a few 1000 to ripe OR a few hundred to
> us (most customers have as numberrs AND PI space)"...
> 

Not necessarily. It's a change of the market and certainly not good
practice. It's like an ISP adjusting the price upwards on a broadband
package. The problem is, there's no competition to move to or well there
is .. because it depends what the LIR charges the end-user or if the LIR
just takes the 50 EUR and basically writes it off.

The product that the customer buys of the LIR should be giving more than
50 EUR/year revenue, if not, you might not be in business for long.

Honestly this discussion is pretty much about chump change in the bigger
scheme.

The ones that get hit are the ones that abused the PI scheme to not pay
for PA or RIPE membership. For everyone else it's pretty much something
that falls under the table. It's 4.17EUR/month per allocation. If you
don't make that kindda money of your PI customers on top of your cost,
your business isn't viable. And yeah .. you can just charge it on to
them or eat the cost. Latter wouldn't make a difference to the customer
as long as they are with you.

And before you ask, We've got a few PI allocations ourselves and I
couldn't care less about 50 EUR each a year. If that is, what it takes,
to get people to give ressources back, then that's that.

Kind regards,
Martin List-Petersen
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