[members-discuss] Discuss Charging Scheme 2010

I really like this conversation!! I myself also have some questions, some are the same than yours, but I hope I know some answers as well - but these are y answers, and of course they are far far away from being official, just my reading!

I guess that 50EUR per year would be charged to the LIR (if the end user is not in contractual relationship with RIPE - which is I think the case in this context!) But what is the moment in time when the LIR is elected to pay this fee? The end-user can change the LIR during the year - can not he? Anyway - this will costs some for the end user as well, but that fee will be charged by the contracted LIR. What happens to the LIRs with quarterly and yearly fee schedule? Should there be any difference? I guess no...

50EUR per end user, or per database entry, (providing that I hit the bulls eye with the one year period), orper transaction? What happens to the assignments which are assigned and deleted within the same billing period?

I consider the not-aging PI resources logical... although the billing procedure and the cost estimation will be much more difficult. Maybe two bills would be better, or at least two lines on the bill, one for the yearly fee, and another for the currently introduced per-entry fees - or a complete detailed bill which enumerates all the unique assignments.



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-----Original Message-----
From: members-discuss-admin at ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Paul Civati
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:36 PM
To: members-discuss at ripe.net
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Discuss Charging Scheme 2010 

Some observations on the announcement..

If RIPE are going to put out an announcement that will end up
creating a lot of discussion it would be helpful to provide more
clarity rather than just create confusion.

Aside, as a whole these changes to administration of PI space 
have been confusing and difficult to follow, IMO.

1. 50 EUR per what time period?

2. It's not clear if this is the LIR fee or end user fee?

3. If the charging score is only going to be based on PA
space then some re-jigging of the numbers might be in order.

For example, as a SMALL LIR with some PI and AS for customers
we'll will still be classed as SMALL if we have both the smallest
of both a single v4 assignment and a v6 assignment.

My point here is that as soon as a new LIR takes some v6 PA
space it's going to cost them more money to jump up from
EXTRA SMALL to SMALL.  What motivation here is there for
new members to start looking at v6 straight away?

It gives additional cost for doing v6 but there may not
be a business case for a small provider.  At least when
PI and AS also contributed there was some direct attached
cost relevant to the business associated with customer
revenues on those PI/AS objects.

Regards,

-Paul-

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Paul Civati <paul(at)racksense.com> 0870 321 2855
Rack Sense Ltd - Managed Service Provider - www.racksense.com


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