[members-discuss] Re: [ncc-announce] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2010

On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Ziv Leyes wrote:

If I understand correctly, an end user would have to pay RIPE 1300Euro in 
the 1st year whereas if you migrate the ASN to an upstream ISP that is a 
LIR, then that LIR would have an extra 50Euro/yr cost which they would 
gladly charge the end user 100Euro/yr - they make a profit and the end 
user saves a ton of money and a ton of forms to fill out with RIPE.

-Hank

> Thanks Hank for the question, I was about to ask the same and thanks Andrea for the answers.
> I want to make sure I understood, the "orphaned" resources, such as ASNUM for instance, will be able to contact and sign a contract directly with RIPE?
> If yes, then why will any of them opt to sign with a LIR if they can be fully independent and work directly with RIPE?
> What happens with some ASNUMs that are nowadays belonging to the Afrinic geographical zone? Is it possible to "transfer" an ASNUM resource from RIPE to Afrinic or any other?
> Thanks,
> Ziv
>
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> From: members-discuss-admin at ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Andrea Cima
> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:28 PM
> To: Hank Nussbacher
> Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net
> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Re: [ncc-announce] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2010
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> Dear Hank,
>
> The main focus points of Phase 2 of this policy implementation are to
> ensure there is a contract in place between End Users and their
> sponsoring LIR, and allowing LIRs to exclude from their 2010 billing fee
> independent Internet number resources linked to End Users that are not
> customers of the LIR.
>
> As you mention, resources of End Users who do not have a contract in
> place with an LIR or with the RIPE NCC by 31 December 2009 will be
> considered "orphaned".
>
> The RIPE NCC will start contacting the End Users of those independent
> Internet number resources in 2010 (Phase 3 of the policy
> implementation), asking them to sign a contract either with a sponsoring
> LIR or with the RIPE NCC. The exact timeline will depend on the number
> of "orphaned" resources. We are currently preparing different scenarios
> based on current statistics.
>
> A procedure for "orphaned" End User resources with regards to timelines
> and (de-)registration details will be published in advance.
>
> If you have any further feedback or questions, please don't hesitate to
> contact me.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Andrea Cima
> RIPE NCC
>
>
> Hank Nussbacher wrote:
>> At 16:05 13/07/2009 +0200, Axel Pawlik wrote:
>>
>> Can someone point me to the docs in regards to what happens to resources
>> a LIR marks as "not my customer"?  According to
>> http://www.ripe.net/rs/pi-existing-assignments.html on Dec 31, 2009 RIPE
>> will consider those resources as orphans and contact the end users.
>> What happens then?  How long does the end user have to sign on with
>> RIPE?  At what point will RIPE revoke the allocations?  Is there a doc
>> on that entire procedure and timeline we can give customers?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Hank
>>
>>
>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>
>>> The RIPE NCC has formulated a Draft Charging Scheme 2010 that will
>>> take into account the requirements of policy proposal 2007-01, "Direct
>>> Internet Resource Assignments to End Users from the RIPE NCC", and the
>>> discussions that took place at the RIPE NCC General Meeting in May
>>> 2009 regarding the 2010 Charging Scheme.
>>>
>>> The proposed Draft Charging Scheme 2010 is now available to view at:
>>> http://www.ripe.net/membership/billing/draft-charging-scheme-2010.html
>>>
>>> Membership discussion of the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 proposal can
>>> take place at <members-discuss at ripe.net>.
>>>
>>> The RIPE NCC Executive Board will monitor discussion and input from
>>> the RIPE NCC membership before publishing a final version of the Draft
>>> Charging Scheme 2010 by 9 September 2009. The RIPE NCC membership will
>>> vote on this version at the RIPE NCC General Meeting on 7 October 2009.
>>>
>>> The RIPE NCC notes that this proposal for the Draft Charging Scheme
>>> 2010 is subject to change based on advice from the RIPE NCC's lawyers
>>> on tax and legal issues.
>>>
>>> For more information, please see the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 FAQs:
>>> http://www.ripe.net/info/faq/membership/charging-scheme.html
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Axel Pawlik
>>> Managing Director
>>> RIPE NCC
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