[lir-wg] ripe allocation 82.0.0.0/8 and arin allocation 69.0.0.0/8

Joe,

I fail to see your point. You are crying wolf when in fact there none
to be seen at the moment.

We went through this a couple of years ago with the 62/8 range and
after a couple of month all the bugs were worked out. 80/8 is assigned
by RIPE for quite some time now and seems to be working fine.

There are always over-zealous networks admins who think it's safe to
block everything that wasn't routed five years ago. Unfortunatly they
can't remember to update the filters, left the company or got fired.
Shit happens. One day one of their users will complain he can't reach
this or that site. Eventually one of the expensive consultants will
find that stupid filter and remove it.

Nothing RIPE can do much about. There is no way RIPE can change that
except documenting and educating the people who care to even read the
RIPE website.

-- 
Andre


Joe Baptista wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, leo vegoda wrote:
> 
> > The RIPE NCC can not guarantee whether any particular route will
> > be accepted by any network operator.
> 
> Thats a problem.  Question - if one of your customers discovers that an
> allocation does not route can they have it replaced with one that does.
> 
> I understand you don't guarantee any particular allocation will route.
> And in the old days when the charges were minimal for IP allocation - well
> one could reluctantly accept that.  However - under the new policies you
> boys are charging these people hefty bucks and that means liability and I
> don't think it prudent to hide behind the routing claim.  I have
> documented over 15 cases in which the 69.0.0.0/8 fiasco has cost these
> people clients and business that went elsewhere.
> 
> Have also documented situations in which these recent allocation have
> resulted in the renumbering of networks out of 69.0.0.0/8 allocations into
> arpa that works.
> 
> So you see I think it prudent that there be a policy to allow for returns
> and replacement of arpa.  I don't think you boys should be issuing numbers
> when you are aware that they don't work and are causing people financial
> problems to their business operations.
> 
> So if you do get complaints regarding 82.0.0.0/8 - do you intend to make
> sure your customers get network that work - or will RIPE be following the
> ARIN lead and just let these people hang.
> 
> regards
> joe baptista