[lir-wg] Re: 50% increase in RIPE fees ? Since when ?

Sorry Andre but I'm with Peter on this one. The RIPE fees simply
don't add up, its an expensive organisation and it needs to trim
a lot of the fat out of it. See Peters message on the tickets,
if it really costs that much then we have a severe problem, some
people don't even pay that much money for a years worth of DSL 
access.

Regards,
Neil.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: lir-wg-admin at ripe.net [mailto:lir-wg-admin at ripe.net] On 
> Behalf Of Andre Oppermann
> Sent: 25 November 2002 17:43
> To: Peter Galbavy
> Cc: Gert Doering; Axel Pawlik; Local IR Working Group
> Subject: Re: [lir-wg] Re: 50% increase in RIPE fees ? Since when ?
> 
> 
> Peter Galbavy wrote:
> > 
> > Those documents are written in the best 
> EU-bureaucrating-English that 
> > money can't sell. Most stuff I see go past as announcements has me 
> > asleep before the first paragraph. I have tried to 
> (quickly) read the 
> > 2003 budget statement. Makes no sense as there is not enough 
> > information there for anyone to make a value judgement. The 
> document 
> > says 'X' and not 'X because'.
> > 
> > What I cannot understand - sorry, it makes no sense - is why the 
> > budget requires new members ? Why is the budget not 
> growth/shrinkage 
> > neutral ? New members should pay for their own 'new' requirements 
> > through the set-up fee. Again, sorry to make accusations, 
> but whoever 
> > created a non-growth neutral budget is NOT doing their job right.
> 
> Peter,
> 
> why don't you go to your CFO or accountant and let them 
> interpret the budget for you? You don't seem to have any clue 
> how budgeting and business plans work. I think everyone on 
> this list would be very grateful if you'd stop ranting until 
> you understand economics 101.
> 
> Cheers
> -- 
> Andre
> 
> 
> > > That would be the RIPE board.
> > 
> > OK. I remember something about elections, but will any 
> board members 
> > here please speak up ? In your opinion is the 2003 budget correct ? 
> > Any doubts ? If you have no doubts, then I strongly suggest 
> that you 
> > are not doing the right thing...
> > 
> > > Ummm.  They are separate.  RIPE is "the community".  The 
> RIPE NCC is 
> > > the body that does the work for us, and is paid for doing that.  
> > > They do what
> > > *we* put in their activity plan.
> > 
> > I don't remember asking to be RIPE. I am a paying for the 
> functions of 
> > the RIPE-NCC. I don't want any other services, research, funded 
> > testing or anything. What I (and many others) want is a 
> registration 
> > service that is policy neutral because it is 'fair'. 
> Anything else is 
> > just profiteering.
> > 
> > Peter
>