Is there an independent board ...Re: [lir-wg] Re: 50% increase in RIPE fees ? Since when ?

My apologies to all for giving Jim Flemming an excuse. That was certainly
NOT my intent.

Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Fleming" <JimFleming at ameritech.net>
To: "Peter Galbavy" <peter.galbavy at knowtion.net>; "Axel Pawlik"
<axel.pawlik at ripe.net>
Cc: "Local IR Working Group" <lir-wg at ripe.net>
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 4:56 PM
Subject: Is there an independent board ...Re: [lir-wg] Re: 50% increase in
RIPE fees ? Since when ?


> From: "Peter Galbavy" <peter.galbavy at knowtion.net>
> Is there an independent board that is charged with overseeing that money
is not wasted in lean years ?
> ===
>
> RIPE is clearly "under" ARIN...partly because of IN-ADDR.ARPA
(ARIN|Nominum) being under .ARPA (ICANN).
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=nominum+arin
> http://www.nominum.com/news/press-releases/arin-pr.html
> http://siliconvalley.internet.com/news/article.php/3531_752211
> http://www.ultradns.com/about/advisors.html
> http://www.arin.net/about_us/ab_org_bot.html
> http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space
> http://www.markletaskforce.org/
> http://aspeninstitute.org/c&s/ipp.html
>
> http://www.arin.net/library/minutes/bot/bot04082002.html
> ARIN Board of Trustees Meeting, Las Vegas, Nevada
> April 8, 2002
>
> called the meeting to order at 5:05 p.m. MDT
> ...adjourn the meeting at 5:09 p.m. MDT
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Galbavy" <peter.galbavy at knowtion.net>
> To: "Axel Pawlik" <axel.pawlik at ripe.net>
> Cc: "Local IR Working Group" <lir-wg at ripe.net>
> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 10:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [lir-wg] Re: 50% increase in RIPE fees ? Since when ?
>
>
> > > Activities of the RIPE NCC, including its operation and
> > > yearly fee structure, are approved by the membership as
> > > proposed in the annual RIPE NCC Activity Plan. The RIPE NCC
> > > Activity Plan is formed on input from the RIPE community
> > > and users of RIPE NCC services.
> >
> > you forgot to add "... and can be read in a locked filing cabinet in the
> > basement, stored in a disused lavoratory marked beware of the leopard."
Or
> > whatever the full quote is.
> >
> > > Due to the economic situation, we saw substantially less
> > > influx of new members over the course of the last twelve
> > > months than forecast, also we have lost member due to
> > > closures and mergers. As a result of that, the RIPE NCC
> > > will have a sizeable deficit this year.
> >
> > But the costs are increasing ? No, that's not right. Less 'customers',
less
> > 'costs'. A drop in membership results in a 50% increase in costs ? I
charge
> > that there must be some gross inefficiencies, bad management practicies
and
> > even potentially some nest-feathering going on.
> >
> > I *know* I am out of touch, I do not have the time or money to attend
ever
> > broom-cupboard meeting held by RIPE. Is there an independent board that
is
> > charged with overseeing that money is not wasted in lean years ? As a
> > not-for-profit company, this is the least I would expect. If there is,
how
> > on earth did they approve a 50% increase in fees (resulting in a 4%
increase
> > in expenditure ?)
> >
> > > The RIPE NCC appreciates membership feedback and encourages
> > > active participation by our members.
> >
> > I thank you for the stock reply, but now how about some genuine
discussion ?
> >
> > For example, how do we seperate the entitities that are RIPE and
RIPE-NCC ?
> >
> > Peter
> >
>
>