KPNQwest ns.eu.net server.

	While a good idea, not everyone can announce or reach the
IX fabrics that they connect to or are out there.

	One solution to that problem is to have the IX operate a
zeebra/gated/whatnot box (or router+machine combo) that
announces a /24 and as part of connecting to the IX people
are required to peer (and provide transit) for that /24 for
the "good of the internet".

	This would allow everyone that connects to the IX to see
the benifits of having a close (to their network that is) dns server
as well as if my provider does not announce the DE-CIX, LINX, mae-e, mae-w,
paix, nyiix, or whatever space to me, i can still reach a server
placed at the IX via their network or via their peers/upstreams.

	- Jared

http://puck.nether.net/dns/
(very rough ui)

On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 04:07:09PM +0200, Nipper, Arnold wrote:
> 
> As a lot of people are offering secondary services: may be it's a good idea
> to place infrastructural services at IXP. IXP seem to be more stable than
> any ISPs and often more neutral than ISPs.
> 
> Comments?
> 
> 
> Arnold
> --
> Arnold Nipper, DE-CIX, the German Internet Exchange
> email: arnold.nipper at de-cix.net
> mobile: +49 172 2650958
> handle: an6695-ripe
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sabine Dolderer/Denic" <dolderer at denic.de>
> To: "Jan-Ahrent Czmok" <czmok at gatel.net>
> Cc: <apnic-talk at lists.apnic.net>; <apops at lists.apnic.net>; <ddiaz at ripe.net>;
> <joao at ripe.net>; <lir-wg at ripe.net>; <nanog at merit.edu>; <randy at psg.com>;
> <routing-wg at ripe.net>; <tech-l at ams-ix.net>
> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:43 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server.
> 
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> DENIC runs currently several secondarys (not only DE but also for some
> other TLDs) in different places worldwide. We are willing to offer
> secondary service for other ccTLDs. But there will be because of
> security/stability reasons a limit on the number of ccTLDs we want to run
> on a single machine.
> 
> Sabine
> 
> --
> Sabine  Dolderer
> DENIC eG
> Wiesenhüttenplatz 26
> D-60329 Frankfurt
> 
> eMail: Sabine.Dolderer at denic.de
> Fon: +49 69 27235 0
> Fax: +49 69 27235 235
> 
> 
> 
>                     Jan-Ahrent
>                     Czmok                An:     Joao Luis Silva Damas
> <joao at ripe.net>
>                     <czmok at gatel.        Kopie:  randy at psg.com,
> ddiaz at ripe.net, routing-wg at ripe.net,
>                     net>                 lir-wg at ripe.net, tech-l at ams-ix.net,
> apops at lists.apnic.net,
>                     Gesendet von:        nanog at merit.edu,
> apnic-talk at lists.apnic.net
>                     owner-lir-wg@        Thema:  Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net
> server.
>                     ripe.net
> 
> 
>                     06.06.2002
>                     01:29
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> PostedDate: 06.06.2002 01:29:37
> $MessageID: <20020606012937.2c476312.czmok at gatel.net>
> From: owner-lir-wg at ripe.net
> SendTo: Joao Luis Silva Damas <joao at ripe.net>
> CopyTo:
> randy at psg.com;ddiaz at ripe.net;routing-wg at ripe.net;lir-wg at ripe.net;tech-l at ams-
> ix.net;apops at lists.apnic.net;nanog at merit.edu;apnic-talk at lists.apnic.net
> 
> Subject: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server.
> Received: from smtp.denic.de ([194.246.96.22])          by notes.denic.de
> (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.8)          with ESMTP id 2002060601283597:15602
> ;          Thu, 6 Jun 2002 01:28:35 +0200
> Received: from postman.ripe.net (postman.ripe.net [193.0.0.199])  by
> smtp.denic.de with smtp  id 17FkCg-0004uX-00; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 01:28:34
> +0200
> Received: (qmail 11455 invoked by alias); 5 Jun 2002 23:28:15 -0000
> Received: (qmail 11452 invoked by uid 66); 5 Jun 2002 23:28:15 -0000
> Delivered_To: lists-lir-wg-out at lists.ripe.net
> PRINCIPAL: Jan-Ahrent Czmok <czmok at gatel.net>
> In_Reply_To: <p05111700b92449b9ddee@[193.0.1.81]>
> References: <200206051725.g55HPlA05396 at birch.ripe.net>
> <E17Ff8f-0003So-00 at roam.psg.com>   <p05111700b92449b9ddee@[193.0.1.81]>
> Organization: Global Access Telecommunications Inc.
> $Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.6claws16 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu)
> X_Ncc_RegID: de.gatel
> MIME_Version: 1.0
> Precedence: bulk
> X_Loop_Detect: RIPE NCC
> SMTPOriginator: owner-lir-wg at ripe.net
> RouteServers: CN=notes/O=Denic
> RouteTimes: 06.06.2002 01:28:36-06.06.2002 01:28:38
> DeliveredDate: 06.06.2002 01:28:38
> DENICDOCOPENCOUNT: 1
> $MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on notes/Denic(Release 5.0.8 |June 18,
> 2001) at 06.06.2002 01:28:36;MIME-CD by Notes Client on Sabine
> Dolderer/Denic(Release 5.0.6a |January 17, 2001) at 06.06.2002
> 09:32:28;MIME-CD complete at 06.06.2002 09:32:28
> BlindCopyTo:
> WebSubject: Re: KPNQwest ns.eu.net server.
> 
> 
> On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 01:08:46 +0200
> Joao Luis Silva Damas <joao at ripe.net> wrote:
> 
> >
> > At 11:04 -0700 5/6/02, Randy Bush wrote:
> > >  > Given the current situation of KPNQwest and the possibility
> > >>  of its services going offline sometime soon, the RIPE NCC in
> > >>  agreement with KPNQwest will be temporally hosting this
> > >>  server (ns.eu.net) in its premises.
> > >
> > >nice emergency hack and sorry to whine.  but i used them both
> > >to get diversity.
> >
> > Hi Randy,
> >
> > there are 16 ccTLDs for which ns.ripe.net and ns.eu.net are both
> > secondary. So we will definitely request those ccTLDs to look for a
> > new host as soon as possible.
> 
> Hi Randy, hi Joao, dear routing-wg,
> 
> probably my Company (GATEL, AS13129) is able to host a secondary
> server for the ccTLDs.
> 
> The question is rather what are the hardware "requirements" for the
> secondary
> server.
> 
> We have sufficient bandwidth capacity available and rack space as well.
> 
> > The rest can take bit more time to think what they want to do since
> > ns.eu.net will keep running.
> 
> Well done ! Congrats for the good ideas and coordination work.
> 
> >
> > We are offering secondary service on ns.ripe.net for any ccTLD that
> > we weren't sencodaring for, as are other people.
> >
> > The idea is not to have ns.eu.net running for ever, just to enable
> > people to have time to take rational decisions, without the fear of
> > having the server going away because of some unexpected turn of
> > events.
> >
> > >
> > >when in less of a panic, please move it to moscow or something.
> >
> > Panic? what panic? this is just common sense
> >
> 
> right. it's not panic.
> 
> --jan
> 
> --
>      Jan Ahrent Czmok - Senior Network Engineer - Access Networks
> Global Access Telecommunications, Inc. - Stephanstr. 3 - 60313 Frankfurt
> voice: +49 69 299896-35 - fax: +49 69 299896-66 - email: czmok at gatel.de
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Jared Mauch  | pgp key available via finger from jared at puck.nether.net
clue++;      | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/  My statements are only mine.