new swamp ?

On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Bernard Steiner wrote:

I have cases where I have told RIPE of deceased ISPs:
http://www.ripe.net/perl/whois?-T+inetnum+212.77.128/19
http://www.ripe.net/perl/whois?-T+inetnum+195.3.128/17
http://www.ripe.net/perl/whois?-T+inetnum+195.8.192/19

These have been unannounced for at least 2 years now and RIPE hasn't seen
fit to revoke or withdraw the IP ranges.  I doubt the LIR has paid dues
since they no longer exist.  So I can imagine that KPNQwest space will
languish in RIPE for a while (there are 4 KPNQwest entries listed at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mem-services/general/allocs4.html countries:
.at, .eu, .ee, and .it)

I think if there is any company or organization who has been assigned the
full /20 or /19 from KPNQwest (doubtful - but a possibility) and they want
to move over to some other ISP - why not allow it?  The routing table size
won't increase by even one prefix.

/24s should just renumber within 6 months.

-Hank

> Hi there,
> 
> > On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 02:54:38PM +0000, Andre Stiphout wrote:
> > > What is the position of the RIPE NCC/RIPE community on the address space
> > > of a SP that disappears from the net? Is there a clear statement
> > > somewhere describing that all of the SP PA-space needs to be returned
> > > within x months to RIPE?
> > "Usually" the LIR in question gets bought (so there is somebody who
> > gets the allocation and is "responsible" for the PA now), but I don't
> > know what happens if the LIR disappears completely.
> 
> The situation is a little more difficult than that because in this case
> LIR
> 	includes more than one
> autonomous system
> 	includes one or more
> legal entity
> 
> So "buying the LIR" probably means buying the whole company, whereas buying
> a legal entity in some country does not buy the LIR (though there is hope
> to get the addresses out of the LIR in that case).
> 
> It might be a good idea to create something like special PA space owned by RIPE
> (all things considered, that is the case anyway [check the /16... ahem...])
> and let some customers run off with their >=/24 PA address space.
> However, that doesn't really help those customers with sub-/24 assignments.
> 
> Bernard Steiner
> Connecting Europe 1982-2002, myself on the net since1988
> 

Hank Nussbacher