[hostmaster-staff] Re: MIR proposal

Hi Nurani,

On Friday 28 September 2001 11:42, Nurani Nimpuno wrote:
> At 11:18 28/09/01 +0100, Adrian Bool wrote:
> >On Friday 28 September 2001 09:39, you wrote:
> > > On Thursday 27 September 2001 18:11, you wrote:
> > > >  "Stephen Burley" <stephenb at uk.uu.net> writes:
> > > >  * A question to the NCC or any other registry managers:
> > > >  *
> > > >  * What is the criteria by which the RIR's request space from IANA,
> > > > is it an * 80% usage rule?
> > >
> > > Is this your request for new space when 80% of your current space has
> > > been declared used or when you have allocated 80% of your space?
> >
> >Woops - I cut too much, this was meant to be in reply to Sabrina's "Yes,
> > it is".
>
> When 80% is currently *allocated* out of the RIPE NCC address blocks, we
> request additional addresses from IANA.
> It is unclear about what you mean with "declared used" , however, we do not
> wait until all LIRs have *assigned* all addresses from their allocations
> before we request additional address space.
> In other words, when we have less than 20% free address space to allocate
> from, a request is sent to IANA.
>
> Hope this answered your question.

Yes, that was very useful.

I think this is the whole crux of the situation.  Stephen (as fas I can 
tell), undoubtedly like many others (myself included), would like to act as a 
registry to the in-country operations of our respective networks.

Although both RIRs such as RIPE and LIRs such as myself are subject to 80% 
rules for the acquisition of more IP space, it seems we are subject to 
different 80% rules.

For an RIR, it is 80% of their allocations, and for the LIRs it is 80% of 
assigned space.

This makes a huge difference, as assignees of an RIR are orthogonal - the 
usage of one does not effect the allocation of another.  With the assignees 
of an LIR this is not the case, as the actual usage of one assignee within 
the LIR effects the abilty of another assignee to aquire more space when it 
is right and proper for them to do so.

I feel that international networks require the ability to operate according 
to the same rules as RIPE - just working on a smaller scale - as another 
level down in the hierarchy.

i.e We should should be able to apply for more IP space once we have 
sub-allocated 80% of our allocation to our in-country networks  - natuarally 
in a responsible manner, according to the same rules that an RIR would 
allocate space to these in-country networks.

Regards,

aid



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