Changing inetnum objects

Dear All

Is the information on a inetnum object name to be mailed to
hostmaster at ripe.net ?

Best Regards
Rasmus Helmich
Tjantik A/S

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nurani Nimpuno" <nurani at ripe.net>
To: "Hans Petter Holen" <hph at online.no>
Cc: <lir-wg at ripe.net>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: Changing inetnum objects


Dear all,

Hans-Petter has already done a good job clarifying the question
below, so I will simply add my additional comments from the RIPE NCC.

 "Hans Petter Holen" <hph at online.no> writes:
 *
 * ----- Original Message -----
 * From: "Berislav Todorovic" <beri at EU.net>
 * To: "Herbert Baerten" <herbert at hostit.be>
 * Cc: <lir-wg at ripe.net>
 * Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 10:33 AM
 * Subject: Re: Changing inetnum objects
 *
 *
 * > On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Herbert Baerten wrote:
 * >
 * > >> can one company foo.com request its LIR to change the
company's inetnum
 * > >> (netname, description, tech-c) so it appears to belong to
another
 * company
 * > >> bar.com?
 * >
 * > RIPE NCC keeps their own internal records on allocated/assigned
address
 * > space. So, although you may modify anything you like in the RIPE
 * > Database, you'll get into conflicts with their internal records
and
 * > that will probably trigger an auditing action from hostmasters.

It is correct that if the netname attribute in the inetnum object in
the RIPE database changes or if you intend to combine multiple
assignments into one object in the future, you are required to inform
the RIPE NCC. All LIRs are informed of this as they receive their
approval for an assignment from the RIPE NCC.

However, any contact details, telephone numbers, names etc can be
changed without having to inform the RIPE NCC.  As it is a public
database, the responsibility of the information entered in the
database, lies with whoever has entered the the data in the database.

(As Hans-Petter points out, it would be practically impossible for
the RIPE NCC to keep track of all changes made to all inetnum objects
in the database.)

 * Is this correct ?
 * I assume RIPE NCC keep internal records for allocations to LIRs
but I can't
 * really see how they could practically do this for assignments from
LIRs to
 * their customers ?
 *
 * I see a lot of perfectly good reasons for a LIR to do such changes
 * (without any particular need for consulting the RIPE NCC):
 * - the company has changed its name (i.e. same legal entity, new
name)
 * - the company has been merged with another legal entity. (i.e. new
legal
 *   entity)
 * - the company splits of its internet operations to a separate
legal entity
 * and so on...
 *
 * As many if not all of these scenarios are likely change the initial
 * criteria for the assignment there is likely to be a need for the
LIR to
 * review the assignment as if the company requested new or
additional address
 * space.

Indeed. To quote the RIPE document "European Internet Registry
Policies and Procedures":

"Assignments of any kind of address space are valid as long as the
original criteria on which the assignment was based are still valid.
If an assignment is made for a specific purpose and the purpose no
longer exists, then the assignment is no longer valid. If an
assignment is based on information that turns out to be invalid so is
the assignment."

(http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-185.html#toc17)

In other words, the *approved netname* and *size of the assignment*
cannot be changed without contacting the RIPE NCC as this would
entail a change of the original criteria of the assignment.


 * Whether or not consultation with the RIPE NCC is
 * needed or not would depend on whether the assignment falls within
the LIRs
 * current assignment window or not.

This is also correct.
If the assignments fall within your Assignment Window you are not
required to inform the RIPE NCC of the changes (as these assignments
do not have to be approved by the RIPE NCC, but fall within the
responsibility of the LIR).

(It is of course important to make sure your local records are up to
date, should you be required to provide this information in the
future to the RIPE NCC.)

For you who are not familiar with the term "Assignment Window" I
would recommend you to read the section 3.7 in "European Internet
Registry Policies and Procedures":

http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-185.html#toc39


 * When that is said, it probably wont hurt to run the case trough
the RIPE NCC
 * for a second opinion if you are in doubt. But it is likely to pay
off to
 * have done the above mentioned review of the possibly changed
assignment
 * criteria before doing so.
 *
 * -hph

Hope this clarified the issue further.

Best regards,

--
Nurani Nimpuno
Registration Services Manager
RIPE NCC