Fw: [ripe-167] Impressions brought from Moscow meeting

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Andrew Stesin <stesin at gu.net>
>To: Sergey A. Mukhin <violet at rosnet.net>
>Cc: lir-wg at ripe.net <lir-wg at ripe.net>; ncc at ripe.net <ncc at ripe.net>
>Date: 19 tebp`k 1998 c. 18:52
>Subject: Re: [ripe-167] Impressions brought from Moscow meeting
>
>
>>On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Sergey A. Mukhin wrote:
>>
>>> On the other hand there is a tendency to a fast growing number
>>> of LIRs in the fSU countries and it might make sense for RIPE
>>> itself to establish its office or RIR for those who agree
>>                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> "Office" -- no problem, but not "RIR"!  How can RIPE
>> establish a RIR without an agreement in the community
>> of the region served?  RIR creation should be
>> initiated by the representative community, not RIPE,
>> or am I missing something?
>
>Andrei,
>stop!
>
>Please, be cool.
>Who proposed RIR without such agreement, without bottom-up scheme?
>I don't know such persons among us.
>
>But I'm simply tired to discuss the same things in parallel on two different languages
>with the same persons :-).
>
>
>local-ir at ripn.net
>and
>lir-wg at ripe.net
>
>Moreover,
>I think it could  be useful to compare the style and content of these lists :-)
>I'm not interested to discuss language, historical and politics aspects.
>
>More important - is to join forces in organization of self-regulation
>bottom-up scheme.
>
>Opinions on newIANA  scheme will be more interesting; it is correlated,
>in principle, with our discussion.
>I know TLD-WG papers - but it is more significant then TLDs problems.
>
>
>>
>>> to be served there to get load off the main office. ( Not a
>>> business of mine, I agree. ) Consider the size of fSU region.
>>
>> fSU is not a region.  Please use non-political
>> but geographical terms for defining region borders.
>
>It is separate question - why IANA determined years ago geographical principle.
>
>.
>>
>> I'm afraid that ripe-167 is just very unclear and uncertain
>> at this point.
>
>
>Yes,
>if today to write such document - it will be different - RNA - CENTR - newIANA...
>It is new experience.
>
>>
>>> I meant just the following effect of the Soviet Union: 6 years are
>>> not enough for a new generation who knows English rather than
>>> Russia; not enough to get old communications completely changed.
>>
>> Please leave alone this old crap about English/Russian
>> language.  If you are a LIR (and RIR serves LIRs) you
>> ought to know English, point.  If you don't know
>> English, you are the customer of a LIR where staff
>> is more knowlegeable
>
>But I never met technical discussions in English inside CIS :-) - people
>use Russian, except preparation official documents.
>Russian is simply working language - technical slang is a mix of Russian with
>English words.
>All guys know English to follow procedure - that's right.
>
> I think, that one of the problem that in English the most people use one word
> for different things. Russian as language and Russian as Rossiyanin.
> But Rossiyanin isn't necessary Russian.
> Russian language is an international communication language,
> not such widespread as English.
>
> It is interesting - what I mentioned on Meeting and in local-ir -
>that the most never read in English any RIPE's principal documents on organization,
>policy issues, funding, except contract and procedure requirements.
>
>I don't want to continue these discussion on language themes.
>It is separate story - more interesting to see Japanese, Chinese...
>Life will show right way.
>
>I don't want to be an advocate of any inappropriative scheme for community.
> I can't agree with some arguementation during this discussion.
>
>
>
>
>Regards,
>Dmitri
>PS
>For Europe - what does it mean Russian?
>My daughters could be named British, Eestonian, French, German, Jewish,
>Russian, Swedish.
>Who they are? :-)