[ripe-167] Impressions brought from Moscow meeting

Hi Dmitry,

On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Dmitri Bourkov wrote:

> > It seems to me that the whole idea is local to Russia (even
> > to Moscow) and has nothing to do with community interests (whatever
> > it means).  It's some kind of bureacratic intra-Moscow battle...
> >
> 
> Andrei,
> I don't like to continue discussion in such form.
> I see also that you don't want to say that you are afraid of your
> goverment, even you  are afraid of discussion on these theme.

	Your words above are neither true nor acceptable as
	argumentation "pro" "RIR-in-Moscow" project.

> I can understand your problems, but I can't agree,
> when you  substituted arguments and problems.
> 
> For example, you escaped to discuss alternative place for RIR in Kijev

	Huh? Would you mind reminding me about THIS proposal, please?
	What did I answer -- do you remember? I do. I said that
	the very first step *must* be a creation of ISP assosiation
	in Ukraine; everything else will be *after* this, 'cause
	how can you establish anything serious if you don't have
	a consensus within the representative community behind of it?

	That were you who decided to go another way in Russia -- no
	representative community, no agreement, but "forward! let's do it
	quickly, or it will be too late!"  It might be a valid approach,
	though, by I don't agree with it so far -- you didn't convince me.

> because your real opinion based on your experience with your postsoviet
> goverment that a single garantee for you - to be under RIPE coverage.

	Much simplier.  We are happy with RIPE with regard to
	IP address allocation and we don't feel that any more
	complexity is needed for us in forseeable future.
	We are satisfied with the service. Everything is fine! But
	someone all of a sudden is pulling us (and our contributions, BTW)
	towards Moscow; what for?

	As for our Ukrainian goverment.  Don't you think that
	*any* business unit, be it ISP or whatever, which
	operates on the territory of *any* state, MUST confirm
	with local laws whatever they are? or? shouldn't the unit
	be shut down otherwise?  Nobody here wants to be shut down.

	That's the only weak issue in Ukraine for now which
	I'm aware of -- our local authorities
	just didn't invent the law for Internet here so far,
	but are moving towards it's creation. And we (ISP) are taking part
	in this process; so we are busy dealing with local
	issues, busy enough here even without any extra political
	"innovations" brought to us from abroad (either from Russian
	goverment of whomever else).  Technology and business are enough
	work on their own.

	TLD is all another story, but it's out of topic for
	this discussion.

> Be honest and strong
> or I mistakened and I never heard such words from
> you and your friends.
> 
> In such case, sorry guys...
> 
	Don't mention.  Whatever you are saying isn't in any
	way a clarification for current ripe-167 approach,
	do you agree?

> 
> Regards,
> Dmitri
> 

Best regards,
Andrew Stesin

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