[ripe-167] Impressions brought from Moscow meeting

On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Alexei Platonov wrote:

> > 	How about my proposal of creating a ripe-167+ document,
> > 	reviewed, revised, more solid and with more representative
> > 	authorship?
> 
> Yes, I like it. I want only to mention that this is just what we
> decided in Moscow (only ripe-167+ was not mentioned): to establish
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	It was (by me at least) though went unnoticed by the majority.

> RIPE office and continue to work on documents on RIR within working
> group which is open to all interested parties. By the way, the
> working group has already prepared some documents and is ready
> to submit them for starting discussion.
> 
> The only thing I insist: we need to begin _practical_ work, including
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	Would you please mind clarifying in details: who "you" (see "we" above)
	are?

> the RIPE NCC office - otherwise nothing will be done. The discussion
> that we participate in can last till infinity.

	Yes, "infinity" -- as long as you doesn't provide us with

	a) clear written definition of the planned actions and the scope of
	   the interested community (that's what my speech on
	   ripe-167+ is about);
	b) solid clarification for the consensus of community mentioned in
	   "a)".

> And you should take into consideration that the office works _de facto_
> the last 1,5 years,

	"RosNIIROS" != "RIPE office" so far.  RIPE NCC and RosNIIROS
	are different organisations.  RosNIIROS may (to some extend)
	pretend on the role of Russian National registry, that's
	another story.

> you know about it.

	No I don't know *anything* "just because" or "by default".

> I have to do something with the
> community that already gets service through RosNIIROS,

	Why do you think you *have to* do something?  What's wrong
	with current state of affairs?  Why something should be
	changed? Why attempts to expand the scope of RosNIIROS IR
	to adjucent countries? this last question is the most
	interesting and important for me.

> either to stop it immediately (quality of service is falling due
> to unregulated scheme, both financial and organizational)

	Ok, am I understabding correctly, that without getting
	a "RIPE NCC" label on the frontdoor RosNIIROS can't increase
	the quality of service it provides? and this is the one and
	only real problem?

	Why then?

	And even if "yes" and solid arguments are present (which
	ones?) -- what is ripe-167 all about then?

> or to move forward.
> 
> Regards,
> Alexei Platonov
> 

Best regards,
Andrew Stesin

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