[ripe-167] Impressions brought from Moscow meeting

Hi,

1)New RIR is not pure European, it may include part of Asia.
2)For _our_ situation the only acceptable variant is that the
certain country is served by the RIR if 2/3 (or 4/5, or 5/6 ... - we'll
decide) of LIRs in this country wish so. By the way, Andrew Stesin
knows about this very well - we decided it on ISP meeting in Moscow where
he has been present, that's why I don't understand some of his arguments
at all. He wants me to confirm this principle once more ? OK, I do it.
Thus I'm quite sure that Ukraine will _not_ be included in the area
served by the new RIR.

May be Rimas is right and this discussion is about nothing ?

Regards,
Alexei Platonov

P.S. And some more. The first stage - RIPE NCC office. If after a year
it'll be only Russia that is served by this office, the project will be
either stopped or the status of RIPE NCC office will be fixed without
further development.





According to Rimas Janusauskas:
> On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, Mike Norris wrote:
> 
> > > IMO, every LIR is free to decide about the RIR they want to be served, 
> > > and it could happen, that LIRs at the same country will be served by
> > > different RIRs. 
> > > 
> > 
> > OK, but what do you feel about the corollary: is a RIR free to choose
> > any LIR that seeks service, or is it constrained to serve only those
> > within a certain (or sometimes uncertain) geographical area?  Before
> > answering, remember what the E in RIPE, the A in ARIN and the AP
> > in APNIC stand for.
> > 
> > Regards.
> > 
> > Mike Norris
> 
> Thanks Mike,  it's a briliant remark!
> 
> Excerpt from RIPE-167:
> 
> 	If  has been suggested more than once that the coun-                
> 	tries of the CIS in fact form a separate region from                
> 	Europe that needed special regional support.
> 
> Sounds with no pardon... A huge region is treated as Terra ******* (self
> censored) Incognita with savage population.
> 
> FYI: CIS countries are Russia, Ukraine, Belorussia, Moldova, Armenia, 
> Georgia, Azerbaidjan, Kazakhstan, Kirgyzstan, Uzbekistan,Tadjikistan,
> Turkmenistan.
> 
> There is no denying the fact that part of them are in Europe or very
> close to it.
> 
> IMHO the only difference between two EUROPEAN RIRs is working language
> (English for RIPE and Russian for RIPN). 
> 
> If it will be decided that the best solution to serve Russian speaking
> community is to create  separate RIR (istead of employing some Russian
> speaking hostmasters at RIPE NCC, creating separate list like
> hostmaster-ru at ripe.net and so on),  it seems essential that European LIRs
> might choose among the 2 European RIRs, but not vice versa, 
> when some _authority_ will decide, that starting from day V. all LIRs 
> in country CC will be served by appropriate RIR. 
> 
> I hope that authors of the document are on the list and kindly
> invite them clearify the essence.
> Othervise we'll continue discussion about nothing.
> 
> With best regards,
> 
> Rimas Janusauskas
> 
> 
> 
> 
>