[ripe-167] Impressions brought from Moscow meeting

Libor,

Actually what you are saying doesn't contradict to what Rimas has said. All
he said was that no one country can make a decision [to join the Russian
RIR] on behalf of another country. On the other hand, you are absolutely
right,  we can't compromise a censorship on Internet.

Best Regards,

Moudrick Dadashov
DB Systems, Ltd. - EUnet LITHUANIA

-----Original Message-----
From: Libor Dostalek <dostalek at pvt.net>
To: Rimas Janusauskas <rimas at taide.lt>
Cc: Andrew Stesin <stesin at gu.net>; ncc at ripe.net <ncc at ripe.net>;
lir-wg at ripe.net <lir-wg at ripe.net>
Date: 1998 m. Vasaris 10 d. 11:35
Subject: Re: [ripe-167] Impressions brought from Moscow meeting


>Rimas Janusauskas wrote:
>
>> If Russia want to establish new RIR, which (according to authors of the
>> document) could solve specific problems, let them do it! If any country
>> want to join Russian RIR, we have no right to contradict - it's their
>> choise.
>
>You are not right. Internet is worldwide, but people in some countrieshave
only
>restricted Internet conectivity -   there is a censorship on
>Internet in some countries. In some countries, religion is censoring,
>in others it is sex. There are countries where Internet is accessible
>only for designated group of citizens.
>
> If we  keep silence, we could live  to only restricted connectivity in
> our country in the future, too.
>
> Democracy brought to me not only the possibility to buy tropical
> fruits, but especially if I wish to connect to the Internet, I may send
> my requirements to Amsterodam - without any permission from Moscow.
>
>Unfortunately  there is no  law of nations  for Internet like the
>Geneva  Convention. There are no human rights for Internet. The
>Internet is based on  keeping the word only.
>
>It is necessary to be very careful if one  wants to delegate authority
>to countries without democracy traditions.  In that case, there is the
possibility to
>create areas with resticted Internet access.
>For example, the  areas with restricted Internet access could be
>created  for rebulic fighting for Independecy.
>
>Mr. Andrew Stesin informs European Internet Community of his impressions
>from Moscow meeting. I think, his doubts are well-founded. For example, the
>main reason for establishing RIR in CIS are the time zone differences (I
>know  this problem. Time zone differences are unpleasant. It's quite normal
>in e-mail correspondence between Europa and America, to exchange  1
>mail daily only due to time differences). Reading RIPE-167, I  expected
establishing LIR
>office for example in Novosibirsk and not in Moscow. Between Moscow and
Amsterodam
>there is only 2 hours time difference. I do not understand the attempt to
establish the
> LIR in Moscow, when RIPE NCC is the best office in the World.
>
>> On the other hand, nobody could compel 18 Ukrainian LIRs (as well as
>> Georgian, Moldavian, Chinese etc.) to be served by RosNIIROS instead of
>> RIPE NCC.
>
>China can't be served by RIPE, China is served by Asia Pacific
NetworkInformatin Center
>(look at http://www.apnic.net).
>
>Libor Dostalek
>The Czech Republic
>
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