<div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>RIPE NCC itself need you to provide them with a certified passport copy if you refuse to send a scan of it by email, other forms of IDs (like drivers license) is not enough for them when they run DD procedure on your LIR.</div><div><br></div><div>It seems that these ancient rules may exist everywhere...</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Arash</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Benedikt Stockebrand <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bs@stepladder-it.com" target="_blank">bs@stepladder-it.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi folks,<br>
<br>
first off: I am not a lawyer; this is just what I as a layman found out<br>
about this.<br>
<span class=""><br>
Daniel Roesen <<a href="mailto:dr@cluenet.de">dr@cluenet.de</a>> writes:<br>
<br>
> On Tue, Jul 04, 2017 at 07:55:01AM +1000, Jen Linkova wrote:<br>
>> 2) all speakers (including remote presenters) need to provide a colour<br>
>> copy of their passport and a short bio (min 2000 chars).<br>
><br>
> This would be illegal for Germans to do. Except for some very specific<br>
> exceptions and under several severe restrictions involving redacting out<br>
> any data on the ID not strictly required for identification, Germans are<br>
> not allowed to make photocopies of their passports or personal IDs, or<br>
> let others make those.<br>
<br>
</span>Are you sure this applies to passports? I know it's the rule about<br>
national ID cards (Personalausweis), but the main reason for that is<br>
that it contains things like your current home address and whatnot that<br>
you don't actually find in a passport.<br>
<br>
And no matter what I think about the competence levels of your<br>
bureaucracy in general, I'd be kind of surprised if they didn't realize<br>
that around the world passports *do* get copied.<br>
<br>
The important issue however with German passports is Par. 18(3) of the<br>
PassG. According to this the RIPE NCC might not be allowed to pass the<br>
passport copy on to the DTCM, but I'm not sure if this applies because<br>
it is passed on to a (foreign) public service.<br>
<span class=""><br>
> Was this requirement known to the organizers before deciding on venue<br>
> country?<br>
<br>
</span>If I understand correctly it is one of these ancient rules that haven't<br>
been actually applied for an eternity until recently---way after the<br>
decision to go to Dubay---someone decided to actually apply it.<br>
<br>
Until then to my knowledge (ask Hans Petter or whoever) it wasn't even<br>
known to the NCC that this sort of requirement existed.<br>
<br>
And from the discussions on the working group chair list alone I guess<br>
the hassle this causes to the NCC, the WG chairs and whoever els is<br>
substantial enough to cause quite some headaches.<br>
<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Benedikt<br>
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