[ipv6-wg] working group co-chair(s)

João,

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:35:54AM +0100, João Damas wrote:
>
> I find the goals laudable and support them. I would however propose
> a different workflow.

While I understand that most people don't want to spend time on
writing down how we select chair people (or reappoint them), I believe
it has to be done at some point. This will never get done if we keep
postponing this every time a new person needs to be appointed.

To address your concerns about time frames, I would like to take a
'running code' approach. Let's describe how we want to do this and do
it. As there is no official policy on this, we don't have to wait
until a formal policy has been established before we can follow our
own plan.

As an example, your text from below could serve as a good starting
point for the implementation part. While you claim your proposal is
the current 'informal process' it seems a lot more transparent already
than how most current chair people got into their positions!

David Kessens
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On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:35:54AM +0100, João Damas wrote:
> David,
> I find the goals laudable and support them. I would however propose a different workflow.
> 
> The rationale behind the suggestion below takes into account the following points:
> - The IPv6 could use some fresh air now rather than later. This is not to say that you have not been doing a good job, I think you have, rather that sometimes a new point of view adds to the outcome and the additional resources generally yield additional results.
> - the process development you describe can take some time and would be applicable not only for the IPv6 wg but to all other wgs as well. So perhaps a broader group than just the IPv6 wg would be a better choice of venue. I will leave initial suggestions for that choice to Rob Blokzijl as RIPE Chair.
> 
> so, with the above in mind, I would suggest
> a) getting a new co-chair onboard now using the current informal process, by the people in this wg mailing list, with anyone who wants to volunteer sending their expression of interest to the list followed by expressions of support.
> 
> b) once the process you propose in your message has been developed and eventually accepted, all wg chairs, and possibly the RIPE Chair as well, go through it and renew or not, as the case maybe, their roles.
> 
> Joao
> 
> 
> On 14 Jan 2010, at 06:30, David Kessens wrote:
> 
> > 
> > All,
> > 
> > During the charter discussion, some of you suggested to appoint a
> > co-chair.
> > 
> > Most RIPE working groups have more than one chair person. In the past,
> > I have never felt the necessity to do this job with more than one
> > person. However, in the spirit that it is always good to try something
> > new or different, we can certainly add a co-chair if the working group
> > believes this to be beneficial for achieving our goals.
> > 
> > Considering that we don't have any formal process for appointing a
> > working group chair, there is no standard on how this is achieved in a
> > transparent and fair way. This might have been acceptable in the
> > early days of RIPE when there were far fewer people involved and
> > governments weren't watching us.
> > 
> > Given that there is an interest in appointing an additional cochair,
> > this seems an excellent opportunity to achieve something more than
> > just appointing a co-chair: if we define an open process and are happy
> > with the results, we can propose the process as a RIPE policy proposal
> > to the wider community for the appointment of chair people within
> > RIPE.
> > 
> > At the same time, I don't believe we should overregulate and loose one
> > of the key benefits of our loosely organized community. Therefore, my
> > personal preference would be to formulate a set of principles that we
> > need to follow to appoint chair people while the actual implementation
> > can vary depending on the position that needs to be filled.
> > 
> > I would first like to hear what people think about this. If there is
> > support, I would like to form a small task force to write a first
> > version of the principles and how we plan to implement them in the
> > ipv6 working group.
> > 
> > David Kessens
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> > 

David Kessens
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