[ipv6-wg] RFC 1918 in "production networks" (was IPv6 experiments at future RIPE Meetings)

Hi,

On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 04:58:36PM +0100, Shane Kerr wrote:
> But the idea that no production networks can use RFC 1918 is a bit
> disturbing, because in 2 years or so there won't be any IPv4 addresses
> left, and people will be forced to use RFC 1918 addresses. Does that
> mean there won't be any IPv4 production networks in 2013?

IPv4 is clearly last century's IP protocol... you know that.

In 2013, existing IPv4 production networks will continue to work, of 
course - and new IPv4 deployments will feel massive amounts of pains.

And no, I don't consider "new IPv4 networks without available address 
space" to be "production networks". 


> My intention is not to make IPv4 available-but-less-useful, but rather
> to begin using the same setup that all event organizers will have to use
> in the future. 

Why should we run with the masses?  What will be next, "turn off IPv6
because all the other event organizers don't have v6 either"? *shake head*

> It's not that bad, really - I use RFC 1918 networks all
> the time. I'm using one now (well, except for the 0.01% of the Internet
> with working IPv6). The Internet seems to work pretty good with RFC 1918
> + IPv6.

This is not "Internet".  This is "I go out and pull stuff from servers
that are run in real IP Space".

Internet means "having machines that are reachable without major 
contortions on the devices in between" (= NAT forwardings).

(despite the religious aspects, there's a purely practical aspect - if 
you force RIPE attendees into RFC1918 space, you're going to kill VPN 
connects for those poor souls that have a home network in the *same* 
RFC1918 address range.  Which will break almost all VPN clients out there.)

Gert Doering
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