[ncc-services-wg] Re: [ipv6-wg] IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey Now Underway!

On 19 jun 2009, at 11.31, Marco Hogewoning wrote:

> Personally I think the hosting/registar business can be qualified as  
> an ISP as you are in fact offering internet services.

Ok, good. Let me suggest then it is clarified to include both  
organisations that "sell IP packets" and "provide IP based services".  
 From a regulative perspective, it is very important to separate the  
two roles, specifically where IPv6 allocation policies (the reason for  
it) touches the Network Neutrality debate. I.e. one of the reasons we  
need IPv6 addresses (not the only one) is because we want to keep the  
end-to-end addressing capabilities that among other things are needed  
for guaranteeing innovation at the edge and making it possible for end  
users to choose services from whatever provider of services they want  
-- independent of what their ISP decide (in the form of a policy in a  
CGN for example). So knowing what percentage of the providers of  
_services_ (on top of IP) have the service IPv6 enabled I think is an  
interesting point of data. And if they don't why not?

> In response to the other point "Please indicate for every service if  
> your organization has it deployed now" I think, in the end, the  
> "peering" should have disappeared from that list as, IMHO, it ain't  
> a service as suc, the same goes for "buying transit". I now think  
> maybe there should have been a question on "connectivity" in  
> general, with a couple of options such as buy/peer/both.

Ok, makes sense!

> In response to Mark, I think the same reason applies as with the  
> organisation thing. You can come up with hundreds, maybe thousands  
> of reasons which can be blocking. You have to keep it short and  
> there is after all room for free form comments.
>
> Please keep in mind that this is aimed at thousands of organisations  
> and people and should give some generic insight in what people are  
> planning for and what the main reasoning is behind it. And yes, I  
> personally, don't expect this survey to produce any results  
> different from what is known already from other studies.

:-)

    Patrik

> Grtx,
>
> marco
>
>
> On 18 jun 2009, at 19:27, Patrik Fältström wrote:
>
>> There was also no alternative on "what kind of organisation are  
>> you" that is a hosting/dns/registrar service. Only ISP. If I am not  
>> selling IP packets, what to select?
>>
>> There was also only "selling transit" and "peering" (or similar). I  
>> am buying transit.., which connect me with the issue Marc bring up.
>>
>>  Patrik
>>
>> On 18 jun 2009, at 16.41, Marc Blanchet wrote:
>>
>>> I don't want to start a thread on the survey details, but I found  
>>> one
>>> question missing an important choice. The question is:
>>>
>>> What are likely to be the biggest hurdle(s) when deploying IPv6?
>>>
>>> Our biggest hurdle (and I'm sure we are not the only ones) is  
>>> "Upstream
>>> ISP not offering IPv6 transit".   Currently, I have to write into  
>>> the
>>> "other box". I really think that choice should be explicit to make  
>>> the
>>> survey more precise on hurdles people feel.
>>>
>>> my 2 cents cdn...
>>>
>>> Marc.
>>>
>>> Paul Rendek a écrit :
>>>> [Apologies for duplicates]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>>
>>>> As announced at RIPE 58, TNO and GNKS Consult are working with  
>>>> the RIPE
>>>> NCC to conduct a survey, sponsored by the European Commission, on  
>>>> the
>>>> current and future use of IPv6 throughout the RIPE NCC service  
>>>> region.
>>>>
>>>> The IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey is now online, and we  
>>>> encourage
>>>> all members of the RIPE community to participate:
>>>> http://is-nri.com/take/?i=150597&h=1GwWe3dXXMcPrRrOw5s2yg
>>>>
>>>> The purpose of the survey is to better understand where the  
>>>> community is
>>>> moving, and what can be done to ensure the Internet community is  
>>>> ready
>>>> for the widespread adoption of IPv6. The survey was developed in
>>>> consultation with members of the RIPE community, and is inspired  
>>>> by the
>>>> 2008 survey conducted by ARIN and CAIDA in North America. It is
>>>> sponsored by the European Commission, which has actively  
>>>> supported the
>>>> adoption of IPv6, in the interests of innovation and the continuing
>>>> competitiveness of European industry.
>>>>
>>>> We encourage all organisations in the RIPE NCC service region to
>>>> participate in this survey, which we hope will establish a  
>>>> comprehensive
>>>> view of present IPv6 penetration and future plans for IPv6  
>>>> deployment.
>>>> By making the survey design similar to the ARIN/CAIDA survey, we  
>>>> hope
>>>> that the results will contribute to a better global picture of  
>>>> current
>>>> and future IPv6 deployment.
>>>>
>>>> The survey is composed of 16 questions and can be completed in  
>>>> 10-15
>>>> minutes. For those without IPv6 allocations or assignments, or  
>>>> who have
>>>> not yet deployed IPv6, the questions will be fewer in number.
>>>>
>>>> The survey will close on 3 July 2009.
>>>>
>>>> Results of the IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey will be  
>>>> presented and
>>>> discussed at RIPE 59, which will be held 5-9 October in Lisbon,
>>>> Portugal. Results will also be published on IPv6 Act Now:
>>>> http://ipv6actnow.org
>>>>
>>>> Please provide your name and contact information on the survey  
>>>> form if
>>>> you wish to receive the draft survey analysis when available.  
>>>> Please
>>>> also indicate whether you are willing to share additional data  
>>>> with the
>>>> TNO and GNKS Consult IPv6 Deployment Monitoring team.
>>>>
>>>> We appreciate your time and interest in completing this survey.  
>>>> If you
>>>> have any questions concerning the survey, please send an email to
>>>> <info at gnksconsult.com>.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Paul Rendek
>>>> Head of External Relations and Communications
>>>> RIPE NCC
>>>
>>>
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>>
>
> Groet,
>
> MarcoH
>
>