[ipv6-wg] Re: Re: [address-policy-wg] Re: Andre's guide to fix IPv6

Max Tulyev wrote:
>> You need a /28 and want "Provider Independence". I use a /28 at home.
> 
> Hope you do not host thousands of websites at home ;)

Some hosts have http/https/imaps and other services running. But all it
takes to move them away is changing DNS. Nothing more.

>> Lets say that I want "PI" too, that would mean I am going to get, pay
>> for and maintain:
>>  - Multiple Redundant Routers
>>  - Multiple Redundant Links
>>  - Multiple Redundant Transits
>>  - Own 24/7 NOC (things will fail)
>>  - and a lot more...
>>
>> You are willing to do and pay for all that, but don't want to become an
>> LIR?
> 
> In this example I'm providing hosting and no more than hosting. No telecoms, 
> no transit channels, no ADSL. May be domain registration.
> 
> To make that business success I need to be multihomed (no objections at this 
> point, I think?). Also I need to be independent from carriers (especially 
> when hosting grows up and I will ask for money for direct peering with me).
> 
> But I do NOT need a lot of address space (thanks God and RFC, we have HTTP/1.1 
> this time).

RIR's "business" is about providing LOTS of address space. LIR's provide
little address space to endusers and in the above you are an enduser.

I suggest you start providing SSL based HTTP. Then you probably need 256
IP's in a sinch. And guess what 256 domains on HTTPS means you have 200
customers. Check the allocations list and see what kind of 'companies'
already are LIR and are already

> Look more.
> http://www.ripe.net/membership/benefits.html
> As a hosting provider, I do NOT want any of that services. So no reasons to be 
> LIR, isn't it?

You don't want:
8<-------------------
Registration Services
As a member, you can request Internet Resources (IP address space, AS
Numbers, Reverse Delegation) from the RIPE NCC.
------------------->8

???

For your case the answer is simple: get your address space from an LIR.
Otherwise draft a proposal for an "enduser-LIR" who can only get 1 AS
and 1 prefix for themselves.

Greets,
 Jeroen

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