[ipv6-wg at ripe.net] Draft minutes for ipv6 wg session RIPE45

Hi,

Please see below for a draft version of the working group minutes for
the ipv6 session at RIPE45. I am sorry for the late posting, I only
received the minutes right before the last meeting.

The minutes will be declared final by Friday September 26, 2003 if I
don't receive any comments other than small typos/corrections.

Thanks,

David K.
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Draft Minutes IPv6 Working Group RIPE 45

The IPv6 Working Group session Wednesday 14 May, 16.30 - 18.30
A. Administrative Stuff:
   Chair (David Kessens, Nokia)
   Scribe (Timothy Lowe, RIPE NCC)

   Actions:
   
   44.1 RIPE NCC
        Enable reverse delegation for the 6bone
        
        Andrei: after much discussion, 6bone will do it for themselves.
        #Action point closed#

   44.2 Bernard Tuy
        To co-ordinate an IPv6 routing guideline document
   
        Discussion ongoing with Marc Blanchet (Hexago) for more
        comprehensive document.
        
        David: this point is being passed to the routing working group.
        #Action point closed#

   44.3 RIPE NCC
        To investigate with IANA increasing the size of RIR allocations to
        rationalize routing

        David: discussion has begun between the parties so we can
               close this one.
        Gert Doering (Spacenet): 
               I see at least 3 /23s being delegated in the interim
               and this is a shame.
        David: it is a bit tech and a bit policy so I this
               might need to go to the LIR working group.
        John Crain:
               ICANN  There are discussions concerning this with the
               RIRs about a temporary solution.
        #action point closed#, discussion moved to policy working group       

   44.4 RIPE NCC
        Report back to the working group what the status is and what the
        issues are regarding:
        - enabling AAAA glue records in the . zone
        - AAAA glue records for delegations to TLDs
        - AAAA glue records for the root servers themselves, enabling
          ipv6 transport to the . zone

        John:  AAAA in the root there are possible issues with too
               many AAAA records into the root zone. In the lab we
               are building a root zone with lots of AAAA queries to
               prove it is safe. We don't believe there will be any
               issues but we have some requests for this so we have to
               come back with proof that it is stable before going
               ahead. The Root server advisory committee will be asked
               to approve this before the summer.
        Mohsen Souissi (AFNIC):
               The request for comments document from IANA was run by
               myself and I sent IANA my comments. We have no issues
               for .fr with AAAA glue records under the root zone.
               Mr Vixie was asked to comment and had no technical
               issues. We have been waiting for a long time.
        John:  yes I saw that and according to his draft not RFC but
               draft it has no issues but we have to ensure that it
               doesn't just work for .fr but for everyone. Also we have
               had little comment on his draft and no other tech tests
               of this. However we see that it is a good idea and we
               want to have this implemented as soon as possible.
        David: Who needs to sign off on this?
        John:  inet clue elite
        David: good, it's not lost in the department of commerce.
        John:  No we just have to present solid evidence to the Department
               of Commerce so they can approve
        Andrei:we tried to research this by asking Verisign what
               registrars support AAAA records. They said they don't
               know. Fortunately our registrar did it and we found
               that it was only blocked at the root zone. We wanted to
               change our registrar but the new one had no interest in
               doing AAAA dns.
        David: I think others have the same problem can you make
               public who is willing to do it?
        Lars-Johan Liman:
               can we see a way of changing the name on the right hand
               side of the ns delegation so that it doesn't conflict
               with the ns.ripe.net. Like ns6.ripe.net (we already
               have this see www.ripe.net/reverse)
        Andrei:I agree we should look into this but it was just to
               clarify that it should be looked into.
        David: this a DNS issue so we should pass it to them. Ok we
               should keep action open so we can hear about progress
               in this area? Good we keep it.

B. Status of the 6bone
   http://www.kessens.com/~david/presentations/
   (David Kessens)

   6bone registry is now reachable over v6 in all aspects.
   Draft phase out plan of the addresses has been proposed.
   The cut off date for allocating ptlas is 20040101 and the date of phase
   out is 20060606.
   Some stats are 60 countries with ptlas in the 6bone
   
C. University of Tennessee IPv6 network storage stack
   http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-45/presentations/
                                             ripe45-ipv6-logistic.pdf
   (Alessandro Bassi - LoCI - Univ of Tennessee)
   

   Logistical networking, which is based on distributed network
   storage, is a project of the UTK Logistical Computing and
   Internetworking Lab. The LoCI Lab website: http://loci.cs.utk.edu/

D. Global IPv6 routing table status
   http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-45/presentations/
                                             ripe45-ipv6-table/
   (Gert Doering)

   Slide 12: 
   Kurtis Lindqvist, Netnod: 
           Can you track which blocks are allocated and which are
           routed? Also the delay between when the allocation was made
           and when it was first routed?
   Gert:   My scripts don't do it but I can do that.
           I will look into it but no promises.
   Mohsen: Tunis isn't in Europe (refers to slide 15)
   Gert:   sure but its around the mediteranian so around the corner 
           sort of Europe.
   
E. Report(s) about actual v6 traffic volume as compared to v4?
   http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-45/presentations/
                                             ripe45-tt-ipv6/page1.htm
   (Henk Uijterwaal, RIPE NCC)
   
   The test traffic project is now also able to measure the ipv6
   Internet.
   
F. Developments/initiatives in the RIPE region and beyond -Presentation
   (Bernard Tuy, RENATER)
   
   Geant IPv6 service M6bone worldwide deployment and multicast
   protocols for IPv6 6Net and on going IPv6 experiments
   
G. Input for the RIPE NCC Activity Plan
   (No input from the audience)
   
Z. AOB
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