From Richard.Patterson at sky.uk Wed Nov 1 10:53:21 2017 From: Richard.Patterson at sky.uk (Patterson, Richard (Sky Network Services (SNS))) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 09:53:21 +0000 Subject: [ipv6-hackathon] Projects & teams! In-Reply-To: References: <74adc674-23db-7df0-3b46-e342e97f76d5@ripe.net> Message-ID: I quite like this idea, but rather comparing BGP routes specifically, compare distance/performance to highlight prefixes with sub-optimal v6 routing. Similar to Google?s Latency measurement in their IPv6 stats page, but for a wider range of destinations other than just Google. IIRC last time I played with the Atlas probes, they could only trace to Anchors, is that still the case? -Richard From: ipv6-hackathon on behalf of "Stephen D. Strowes" Date: Tuesday, 31 October 2017 at 16:52 To: Shahin Gharghi , "ipv6-hackathon at ripe.net" Subject: Re: [ipv6-hackathon] Projects & teams! On 31/10/2017 16:17, Shahin Gharghi wrote: There are some good ideas and I'd love to work on them. By the way these are some bubbles on my mind: -Comparing more-specific routes announced by IPv4 and IPv6 One of our problems in BGP, is huge number of more-specific routes. This number should be less because of gigantic size of IPv6 prefixes. I think it is good to have a measurement tool that compares number of IPv6 and IPv4 routes per total allocated routes It's difficult to compare apples to oranges, but yes, tools to compare and summarise the v4 world to the v6 world as observed in BGP data would be interesting. (We've considered time-based comparisons in the past, but now I think about it, a v4/v6 comparison would be good too.) Maybe such tools exist already, but I often wind up doing things by hand. Information in this email including any attachments may be privileged, confidential and is intended exclusively for the addressee. The views expressed may not be official policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete it from your system. You should not reproduce, distribute, store, retransmit, use or disclose its contents to anyone. Please note we reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communication through our internal and external networks. SKY and the SKY marks are trademarks of Sky plc and Sky International AG and are used under licence. Sky UK Limited (Registration No. 2906991), Sky-In-Home Service Limited (Registration No. 2067075) and Sky Subscribers Services Limited (Registration No. 2340150) are direct or indirect subsidiaries of Sky plc (Registration No. 2247735). All of the companies mentioned in this paragraph are incorporated in England and Wales and share the same registered office at Grant Way, Isleworth, Middlesex TW7 5QD. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sds at ripe.net Wed Nov 1 11:01:09 2017 From: sds at ripe.net (Stephen D. Strowes) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 10:01:09 +0000 Subject: [ipv6-hackathon] Projects & teams! In-Reply-To: References: <74adc674-23db-7df0-3b46-e342e97f76d5@ripe.net> Message-ID: <6c763ba5-2e88-b546-f133-14169b6465b2@ripe.net> On 01/11/2017 09:53, Patterson, Richard (Sky Network Services (SNS)) wrote: > > I quite like this idea, but rather comparing BGP routes specifically, > compare distance/performance to highlight prefixes with sub-optimal v6 > routing. > > Similar to Google?s Latency measurement in their IPv6 stats page, but > for a wider range of destinations other than just Google. > > IIRC last time I played with the Atlas probes, they could only trace > to Anchors, is that still the case? > Traceroutes (any transport) can go anyplace. Of all the measurement classes, only HTTP measurements must go to anchors. So yeah, breaking out data-plane deltas between endpoints is feasible. Emile's IXP-country-jedi stuff can pull together traceroute data and help visualise spatially the differences between v4 and v6 paths; example: http://sg-pub.ripe.net/emile/ixp-country-jedi/specials/2017-07-hackerspaces-de/geopath/index.html S. > *From: *ipv6-hackathon on behalf of > "Stephen D. Strowes" > *Date: *Tuesday, 31 October 2017 at 16:52 > *To: *Shahin Gharghi , "ipv6-hackathon at ripe.net" > > *Subject: *Re: [ipv6-hackathon] Projects & teams! > > On 31/10/2017 16:17, Shahin Gharghi wrote: > > There are some good ideas and I'd love to work on them. By the way > these are some bubbles on my mind: > > -Comparing more-specific routes announced by IPv4 and IPv6 > > One of our problems in BGP, is huge number of more-specific > routes. This number should be less because of gigantic > > size of IPv6 prefixes. I think it is good to have a > measurement?tool that compares number of IPv6 and IPv4 routes per > > total allocated routes > > > It's difficult to compare apples to oranges, but yes, tools to compare > and summarise the v4 world to the v6 world as observed in BGP data > would be interesting. (We've considered time-based comparisons in the > past, but now I think about it, a v4/v6 comparison would be good too.) > Maybe such tools exist already, but I often wind up doing things by hand. > > > > Information in this email including any attachments may be privileged, > confidential and is intended exclusively for the addressee. The views > expressed may not be official policy, but the personal views of the > originator. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender > by return e-mail and delete it from your system. You should not > reproduce, distribute, store, retransmit, use or disclose its contents > to anyone. Please note we reserve the right to monitor all e-mail > communication through our internal and external networks. SKY and the > SKY marks are trademarks of Sky plc and Sky International AG and are > used under licence. > > Sky UK Limited (Registration No. 2906991), Sky-In-Home Service Limited > (Registration No. 2067075) and Sky Subscribers Services Limited > (Registration No. 2340150) are direct or indirect subsidiaries of Sky > plc (Registration No. 2247735). All of the companies mentioned in this > paragraph are incorporated in England and Wales and share the same > registered office at Grant Way, Isleworth, Middlesex TW7 5QD. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BECHA at ripe.net Thu Nov 2 15:00:28 2017 From: BECHA at ripe.net (Vesna Manojlovic) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 15:00:28 +0100 Subject: [ipv6-hackathon] Stickers exchange! Message-ID: Hi all, for some extra fun, please bring your laptop-stickers to share & exchange with others :) Vesna From BECHA at ripe.net Fri Nov 3 09:54:40 2017 From: BECHA at ripe.net (Vesna Manojlovic) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 09:54:40 +0100 Subject: [ipv6-hackathon] Combining TraceMON & project proposal 5a at ipv6-hackathon? Message-ID: <569779d2-6364-63f9-3ee9-2bf80bceb43b@ripe.net> Hi, while reviewing projects with Pedro, we thought that this might be possible to combine with some of the already existing features in TraceMON: > 5a. Comparing IPv4 and IPv6 traceroute paths > by Petros Gigis > > Create a visualization to compare IPv4 and IPv6 traceroute paths, highlighting the differences between these paths. For example, it would be interesting to observe differences in IP-level/AS-level paths in terms of traffic locality; e.g., IPv4 paths from ASX to ASY staying inside a country while IPv6 paths are leaving it. Moreover, this visualization would help the network operators and the academic community understand the differences in IPv4 vs. IPv6 routing, on the data plane. Furthermore, some kind of statistics could be created based on the visualization (similar to the Eyeball Jedi approach (sg-pub.ripe.net/petros/eyeball-jedi) to compare country ecosystems at a larger scale. Finally, comparing the IPv4 ASN of the endpoint probes (as given by the RIPE Atlas platform) with their IPv6 ASNs, would potentially reveal native IPv6 support on the AS vs. support from IPv6 providers. Massimo & Emile, could you care to comment? Petros, Steve, Jasper & Pedro, and aevryone else on site tomorrow, interested in this project - let's consider TraceMON... https://labs.ripe.net/Members/massimo_candela/tracemon-traceroute-visualisation-network-debugging-tool https://github.com/RIPE-NCC/tracemon Thanks, Vesna From netravnen at gmail.com Fri Nov 3 09:55:00 2017 From: netravnen at gmail.com (Christoffer Hansen) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 09:55:00 +0100 Subject: [ipv6-hackathon] Round of introductions In-Reply-To: <5dd12382-d855-7738-0a58-2d27fc8cd92c@ripe.net> References: <5dd12382-d855-7738-0a58-2d27fc8cd92c@ripe.net> Message-ID: <37b135d5-96e6-2e4e-0e4b-098c6af79d78@gmail.com> Hi all, So for (probably) the last person for the `Round of introductions` is Christoffer. The what ========================== I work out of AS31027+AS28717 as a network engineer with ~2 years of experience on day-to-day basis. Programming skills is mostly limited to intermediate level of PHP/HTML(5)/CSS(3), basic level of bash scripting. The person ========================== I'm currently undergoing education in the form of 'Data Technician specializing in Infrastructure'. Which translates roughly to intermediate experience with Server/Network/Wireless/Desktop/Programming. I have yet to reach 25 and spend time helping out with dknog, peeringdb, prosa/stud (dk it-student union). Always enjoy drinking beer with fellow people/persons/humans! The interest/focus/focal points ========================== My focus is mostly oriented towards ipv6/bgp/peering. Looking forward to join the ideas up in the air. Finally ========================== Looking forward to tomorrow. -- Christoffer Hansen Available online @ LI:/in/netravnen, TW:/netravnen, Keybase:/motd, GH:/netravnen, URL:netravnen.eu, IRC:netravnen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For example, it would be > interesting to observe differences in IP-level/AS-level paths in terms of > traffic locality; e.g., IPv4 paths from ASX to ASY staying inside a country > while IPv6 paths are leaving it. Moreover, this visualization would help > the network operators and the academic community understand the differences > in IPv4 vs. IPv6 routing, on the data plane. Furthermore, some kind of > statistics could be created based on the visualization (similar to the > Eyeball Jedi approach (sg-pub.ripe.net/petros/eyeball-jedi) to compare > country ecosystems at a larger scale. Finally, comparing the IPv4 ASN of > the endpoint probes (as given by the RIPE Atlas platform) with their IPv6 > ASNs, would potentially reveal native IPv6 support on the AS vs. support > from IPv6 providers. > > Massimo & Emile, could you care to comment? > > Petros, Steve, Jasper & Pedro, > and aevryone else on site tomorrow, interested in this project - let's > consider TraceMON... > > > https://labs.ripe.net/Members/massimo_candela/tracemon-traceroute-visualisation-network-debugging-tool > > https://github.com/RIPE-NCC/tracemon > > Thanks, > Vesna > > _______________________________________________ > ipv6-hackathon mailing list > ipv6-hackathon at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-hackathon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BECHA at ripe.net Fri Nov 3 09:59:42 2017 From: BECHA at ripe.net (Vesna Manojlovic) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 09:59:42 +0100 Subject: [ipv6-hackathon] Combining project 5b & results from IPX-tols hackathon? In-Reply-To: <27927672-C004-48BD-BBC9-FC5BB1560D0B@kramse.org> References: <5dd12382-d855-7738-0a58-2d27fc8cd92c@ripe.net> <27927672-C004-48BD-BBC9-FC5BB1560D0B@kramse.org> Message-ID: Hi, Henrik suggested this: > > 5b. Who can route IPv6 with me Added by HLK Research from an ASN, > like AS2603, who are they peering with now on IPv4 and IPv6. Find the > IPv4 peer ASNs with IPv6 allocated, but not peering with IPv6 now. - > so they can get in contact with each other > > Maybe option to only list those that are active with at least one > other IPv6, or -all which include those that are not active yet, but > could be. IPv6-dating made easier It reminded me of the two projects that were made in Madrid, during IXP-Tools Hackathon : > PeerMe aka "Make Peering Great Again" (Tool to discover and generate > possible peerings between Internet Autonomous Systems) by Cooper > Lees, James Paussa & Arnaud Fenioux > > Pinder aka Tinder for Peering (Swipe Right On A New Peering > Relationship) by Andrea Beccaris, Daniel Quinn, David Barroso, Hannos > Adollarsson, Matthew Walster Site: http://peer.sexy/ So we could use their code... https://github.com/cooperlees/peerme https://github.com/dotwaffle/pinder Just an idea... Vesna From harry at harryreeder.co.uk Fri Nov 3 12:08:07 2017 From: harry at harryreeder.co.uk (Harry Reeder) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 11:08:07 +0000 Subject: [ipv6-hackathon] Friday Evening Activities Message-ID: Hi All, There was previously mention of maybe visiting Labitat this evening - is this still happening? Anything else happening as a group this evening? Harry From sds at ripe.net Fri Nov 3 12:16:46 2017 From: sds at ripe.net (Stephen D. Strowes) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 11:16:46 +0000 Subject: [ipv6-hackathon] Combining TraceMON & project proposal 5a at ipv6-hackathon? In-Reply-To: <569779d2-6364-63f9-3ee9-2bf80bceb43b@ripe.net> References: <569779d2-6364-63f9-3ee9-2bf80bceb43b@ripe.net> Message-ID: <34f8b9f9-80bb-60d5-9e98-056f55f609af@ripe.net> Hi, On 03/11/2017 08:54, Vesna Manojlovic wrote: > Hi, > > while reviewing projects with Pedro, we thought that this might be > possible to combine with some of the already existing features in TraceMON: > >> 5a. Comparing IPv4 and IPv6 traceroute paths >> by Petros Gigis >> >> Create a visualization to compare IPv4 and IPv6 traceroute paths, highlighting the differences between these paths. For example, it would be interesting to observe differences in IP-level/AS-level paths in terms of traffic locality; e.g., IPv4 paths from ASX to ASY staying inside a country while IPv6 paths are leaving it. Moreover, this visualization would help the network operators and the academic community understand the differences in IPv4 vs. IPv6 routing, on the data plane. Furthermore, some kind of statistics could be created based on the visualization (similar to the Eyeball Jedi approach (sg-pub.ripe.net/petros/eyeball-jedi) to compare country ecosystems at a larger scale. Commenting on this part: >> Finally, comparing the IPv4 ASN of the endpoint probes (as given by the RIPE Atlas platform) with their IPv6 ASNs, would potentially reveal native IPv6 support on the AS vs. support from IPv6 providers. My approach for comparison is usually to ignore probes where their v4 and v6 ASNs differ. Most commonly where they differ, the v6 side is Hurricane Electric so realistically it's not going to offer a useful comparison. There's a long tail of other v6 ASNs after HE, but IIRC it's a relatively small set. (I bet many of those ASNs actually belong to the same organisation; having these smarts in tracemon or similar would be very useful.) One thing that traceroutes will have a weird time with is transition tech: nat64 if the probes work behind that, or ds-lite, most commonly. It would be neat to identify or hint at those. > Massimo & Emile, could you care to comment? > > Petros, Steve, Jasper & Pedro, > and aevryone else on site tomorrow, interested in this project - let's > consider TraceMON... > > https://labs.ripe.net/Members/massimo_candela/tracemon-traceroute-visualisation-network-debugging-tool > > https://github.com/RIPE-NCC/tracemon Yes, it'd be great to show traceroutes from the same probe to the same target side-by-side. (But I'm not the person you want writing this code.) For visualisation, what is really vital is aggregates. Let's say I'm an ISP or a CDN, what I often care about is aggregate traffic. A query-based system ought to allow an operator to select *all* traceroutes from $MY_ASN to $ANOTHER_ASN over a time period, and aggregate the paths together, and able to flip between v4/v6/both. An amazing direction to go would be towards transit maps where line width indicates frequency or volume, similar to: - https://www.cambooth.net/project-france-tgv-routes/ - https://twitter.com/lisacrost/status/917852662980382720 That sounds like a much bigger project than a hackathon weekend, but I think it's where the value is. S. > > Thanks, > Vesna > > _______________________________________________ > ipv6-hackathon mailing list > ipv6-hackathon at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-hackathon From tf at flummer.net Fri Nov 3 12:24:11 2017 From: tf at flummer.net (Thomas Flummer) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 12:24:11 +0100 Subject: [ipv6-hackathon] Friday Evening Activities In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32edf592-34b1-51dc-5953-8e8f9ef9cdfc@flummer.net> Hi Harry, Yes, you are all very welcome to stop by Labitat this evening, Asbj?rn and I will be there from 6 pm (18:00) and will give tours and chat with all of you. The address is: H.C. ?rsteds Vej 5, in the basement 1879 Frederiksberg It's almost on the corner of H.C. ?rsteds Vej and Gl. Kongevej https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/582281835 There will probably also be other people there working on their projects or hanging out. We can order some pizzas or similar when we are hungry. See you tonight! /Thomas On 03/11/2017 12.08, Harry Reeder wrote: > Hi All, > > There was previously mention of maybe visiting Labitat this evening - is > this still happening? Anything else happening as a group this evening? > > > Harry > > > _______________________________________________ > ipv6-hackathon mailing list > ipv6-hackathon at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-hackathon > From jdenhertog at ripe.net Fri Nov 3 16:12:04 2017 From: jdenhertog at ripe.net (Jasper den Hertog) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 16:12:04 +0100 Subject: [ipv6-hackathon] Combining TraceMON & project proposal 5a at ipv6-hackathon? In-Reply-To: <34f8b9f9-80bb-60d5-9e98-056f55f609af@ripe.net> References: <569779d2-6364-63f9-3ee9-2bf80bceb43b@ripe.net> <34f8b9f9-80bb-60d5-9e98-056f55f609af@ripe.net> Message-ID: > On 3 Nov 2017, at 12:16, Stephen D. Strowes wrote: > > For visualisation, what is really vital is aggregates. Let's say I'm an ISP or a CDN, what I often care about is aggregate traffic. A query-based system ought to allow an operator to select *all* traceroutes from $MY_ASN to $ANOTHER_ASN over a time period, and aggregate the paths together, and able to flip between v4/v6/both. I concur and I am thinking about making aggregated traceroutes over time (I am calling them synthetic traceroutes?) using atlas-stream and pipelinedb (which stores aggregated data queryable with SQL). > An amazing direction to go would be towards transit maps where line width indicates frequency or volume, similar to: > - https://www.cambooth.net/project-france-tgv-routes/ Oh! These are beautiful, I wanted to make metroline style maps. Anyway, I am working on making line width a parameter in the ?fulll? openipmap. There are both algorithmic issues, we would have to make aggregated graphs and find a way to visualise them properly (harder than you might think). > That sounds like a much bigger project than a hackathon weekend, but I think it's where the value is. It is, but I can make a start if allowed the time to work on it this weekend (we?ll see). greetings, Jasper -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2619 bytes Desc: not available URL: From emile.aben at ripe.net Fri Nov 3 10:19:00 2017 From: emile.aben at ripe.net (Emile Aben) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 09:19:00 +0000 Subject: [ipv6-hackathon] Combining TraceMON & project proposal 5a at ipv6-hackathon? In-Reply-To: <569779d2-6364-63f9-3ee9-2bf80bceb43b@ripe.net> References: <569779d2-6364-63f9-3ee9-2bf80bceb43b@ripe.net> Message-ID: On 03/11/2017 08:54, Vesna Manojlovic wrote: > Hi, > > while reviewing projects with Pedro, we thought that this might be > possible to combine with some of the already existing features in TraceMON: > >> 5a. Comparing IPv4 and IPv6 traceroute paths >> by Petros Gigis >> >> Create a visualization to compare IPv4 and IPv6 traceroute paths, highlighting the differences between these paths. For example, it would be interesting to observe differences in IP-level/AS-level paths in terms of traffic locality; e.g., IPv4 paths from ASX to ASY staying inside a country while IPv6 paths are leaving it. Moreover, this visualization would help the network operators and the academic community understand the differences in IPv4 vs. IPv6 routing, on the data plane. Furthermore, some kind of statistics could be created based on the visualization (similar to the Eyeball Jedi approach (sg-pub.ripe.net/petros/eyeball-jedi) to compare country ecosystems at a larger scale. Finally, comparing the IPv4 ASN of the endpoint probes (as given by the RIPE Atlas platform) with their IPv6 ASNs, would potentially reveal native IPv6 support on the AS vs. support from IPv6 providers. > > Massimo & Emile, could you care to comment? we looked into integrating traceMon into ixp-country-jedi for an earlier code-sprint, and didn't get it to work then. it would be great if stuff that gets developed would work for the use case of a mesh of traceroutes (like ixp-country-jedi), and would be integratable into an interface like ixp-country-jedi (see https://ripe.net/ixp-country-jedi ) the great benefit would be that you'll get visibility for the viz that was created (people seem to like the ixp-country-jedi, and we do monthly traceroute meshes for countries with enough probes) > > Petros, Steve, Jasper & Pedro, > and aevryone else on site tomorrow, interested in this project - let's > consider TraceMON... > > https://labs.ripe.net/Members/massimo_candela/tracemon-traceroute-visualisation-network-debugging-tool > > https://github.com/RIPE-NCC/tracemon > > Thanks, > Vesna > From emile.aben at ripe.net Fri Nov 3 12:40:02 2017 From: emile.aben at ripe.net (Emile Aben) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 11:40:02 +0000 Subject: [ipv6-hackathon] Combining TraceMON & project proposal 5a at ipv6-hackathon? In-Reply-To: <34f8b9f9-80bb-60d5-9e98-056f55f609af@ripe.net> References: <569779d2-6364-63f9-3ee9-2bf80bceb43b@ripe.net> <34f8b9f9-80bb-60d5-9e98-056f55f609af@ripe.net> Message-ID: > > Yes, it'd be great to show traceroutes from the same probe to the same > target side-by-side. (But I'm not the person you want writing this code.) ixp-country-jedi has a beginning of this (thanks to Petros Gkigkis), see screenshots attached or clikc on a red square here: http://sg-pub.ripe.net/emile/ixp-country-jedi/history/2017-11-01/DK/ixpcountry/index.html?ipv=v6 hope this helps get people started thinking on how to improve this/do this differently! have fun at the hackathon! emile -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screen Shot 2017-11-03 at 11.33.21.png Type: image/png Size: 453747 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For example, it would be interesting to observe differences in IP-level/AS-level paths in terms of traffic locality; e.g., IPv4 paths from ASX to ASY staying inside a country while IPv6 paths are leaving it. Moreover, this visualization would help the network operators and the academic community understand the differences in IPv4 vs. IPv6 routing, on the data plane. Furthermore, some kind of statistics could be created based on the visualization (similar to the Eyeball Jedi approach (sg-pub.ripe.net/petros/eyeball-jedi) to compare country ecosystems at a larger scale. Finally, comparing the IPv4 ASN of the endpoint probes (as given by the RIPE Atlas platform) with their IPv6 ASNs, would potentially reveal native IPv6 support on the AS vs. support from IPv6 providers. >> >> Massimo & Emile, could you care to comment? > > we looked into integrating traceMon into ixp-country-jedi for an earlier > code-sprint, and didn't get it to work then. > > it would be great if stuff that gets developed would work for the use > case of a mesh of traceroutes (like ixp-country-jedi), and would be > integratable into an interface like ixp-country-jedi (see > https://ripe.net/ixp-country-jedi ) > > the great benefit would be that you'll get visibility for the viz that > was created (people seem to like the ixp-country-jedi, and we do monthly > traceroute meshes for countries with enough probes) > Regarding the IXP Country Jedi, I am working on a prototype API that provides a 'query-based system? for all the IXP country Jedi measurement results. One of the supported queries is the one that Stephen mentioned earlier "give me all traceroute paths from ASX to ASY?. Moreover, you can define the protocol family (v4/v6), specify a date range and use flags as "return only traceroute results that crossed an IXP" or "went out of country?. example API call: http://83.212.100.80:8000/jedi/api/data/results/country/GR/date/2017-10-01/src_asn/3329/dest_asn/6867/ipv/4 please don?t make aggressive use of the API, I am still working on this :)) Petros > >> >> Petros, Steve, Jasper & Pedro, >> and aevryone else on site tomorrow, interested in this project - let's >> consider TraceMON... >> >> https://labs.ripe.net/Members/massimo_candela/tracemon-traceroute-visualisation-network-debugging-tool >> >> https://github.com/RIPE-NCC/tracemon >> >> Thanks, >> Vesna >> > > > _______________________________________________ > ipv6-hackathon mailing list > ipv6-hackathon at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-hackathon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <91C9F3A2-EEEC-48CE-A9B4-73DB219DDAE4@ics.forth.gr> References: <569779d2-6364-63f9-3ee9-2bf80bceb43b@ripe.net> <91C9F3A2-EEEC-48CE-A9B4-73DB219DDAE4@ics.forth.gr> Message-ID: I have found a bug: sds at stkilda:~$ curl 'http://[2001:648:2ffc:1225:a800:1ff:fe7d:b4c1]:8000/jedi/api/data/results/country/GR/date/2017-10-01/src_asn/3329/dest_asn/6867/ipv/4' curl: (7) Failed to connect to 2001:648:2ffc:1225:a800:1ff:fe7d:b4c1 port 8000: Connection refused On 03/11/2017 15:46, Gigis Petros wrote: > Hi all, > >> On Nov 3, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Emile Aben > > wrote: >> >> On 03/11/2017 08:54, Vesna Manojlovic wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> while reviewing projects with Pedro, we thought that this might be >>> possible to combine with some of the already existing features in >>> TraceMON: >>> >>>> 5a. Comparing IPv4 and IPv6 traceroute paths >>>> by Petros Gigis >>>> >>>> Create a visualization to compare IPv4 and IPv6 traceroute paths, >>>> highlighting the differences between these paths. For example, it >>>> would be interesting to observe differences in IP-level/AS-level >>>> paths in terms of traffic locality; e.g., IPv4 paths from ASX to >>>> ASY staying inside a country while IPv6 paths are leaving it. >>>> Moreover, this visualization would help the network operators and >>>> the academic community understand the differences in IPv4 vs. IPv6 >>>> routing, on the data plane. Furthermore, some kind of statistics >>>> could be created based on the visualization (similar to the Eyeball >>>> Jedi approach (sg-pub.ripe.net/petros/eyeball-jedi >>>> ) to compare country >>>> ecosystems at a larger scale. Finally, comparing the IPv4 ASN of >>>> the endpoint probes (as given by the RIPE Atlas platform) with >>>> their IPv6 ASNs, would potentially reveal native IPv6 support on >>>> the AS vs. support from IPv6 providers. >>> >>> Massimo & Emile, could you care to comment? >> >> we looked into integrating traceMon into ixp-country-jedi for an earlier >> code-sprint, and didn't get it to work then. >> >> it would be great if stuff that gets developed would work for the use >> case of a mesh of traceroutes (like ixp-country-jedi), and would be >> integratable into an interface like ixp-country-jedi ?(see >> https://ripe.net/ixp-country-jedi ) >> >> the great benefit would be that you'll get visibility for the viz that >> was created (people seem to like the ixp-country-jedi, and we do monthly >> traceroute meshes for countries with enough probes) >> > > Regarding the IXP Country Jedi, I am working on a _prototype_ API that > provides > a 'query-based system? for all the IXP country Jedi measurement results. > One of the supported queries is the one that Stephen mentioned earlier > "give me all traceroute paths from ASX to ASY?. > > Moreover, you can define the protocol family (v4/v6), specify a date > range and use flags as > "return only traceroute results that crossed an IXP" or "went out of > country?. > > example API call: > http://83.212.100.80:8000/jedi/api/data/results/country/GR/date/2017-10-01/src_asn/3329/dest_asn/6867/ipv/4 > > please don?t make aggressive use of the API, > I am still working on this ?:)) > > Petros > >> >>> >>> Petros, Steve, Jasper & Pedro, >>> and aevryone else on site tomorrow, interested in this project - let's >>> consider TraceMON... >>> >>> https://labs.ripe.net/Members/massimo_candela/tracemon-traceroute-visualisation-network-debugging-tool >>> >>> https://github.com/RIPE-NCC/tracemon >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Vesna >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ipv6-hackathon mailing list >> ipv6-hackathon at ripe.net >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-hackathon > > > > _______________________________________________ > ipv6-hackathon mailing list > ipv6-hackathon at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-hackathon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Vesna From barberio at fb.com Mon Nov 6 12:41:11 2017 From: barberio at fb.com (Andrea Barberio) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 11:41:11 +0000 Subject: [ipv6-hackathon] URGENT: Can you send me the links NOW? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Vesna :) The IPv6 discrepancies microsite is at https://vgiotsas.github.io/ipv6-route-optimization/ and the repo is at https://github.com/vgiotsas/ipv6-route-optimization . Let me know if you need anything else! Andrea -------- Original message -------- From: Vesna Manojlovic Date: 06/11/2017 10:14 (GMT+00:00) To: ipv6-hackathon at ripe.net Subject: [ipv6-hackathon] URGENT: Can you send me the links NOW? Hi, I am preparing the slides for IPv6 Day, and I could use some screenshots from your slides -- and links to GitHub - so please send them before 12 ;-) that's 45 minutes ;-) Otherwise, I will remind you again soon... 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Let me know if you need anything else! I have added the slides: https://vgiotsas.github.io/ipv6-route-optimization/slides-tracemonks-bgp.pdf And also a link to the page with the BGP statististics: https://vgiotsas.github.io/ipv6-route-optimization/as_paths/ Thanks for the great hackathon! 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[0] https://github.com/cteusche-ripencc/status-of-ipv6 On 07/11/2017 12:18, Cristian Sirbu wrote: > It was lots of fun, thank you Vesna et al. for organizing and creating > such a great event!? > > > > On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Vesna Manojlovic > wrote: > > Hi, > > we had a great hackathon, and I am very grateful to all of you for your > contributions, hard work, showing up, and partying hard too ;-) > > so THANK YOU! > > Hopping to see you soon again, > we'll be in touch for sure!! > > Vesna > > > > _______________________________________________ > ipv6-hackathon mailing list > ipv6-hackathon at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-hackathon > > > > > > -- > Cristian Sirbu > www.trueneutral.eu > twitter.com/cmsirbu > > PGP 2C94 0C28 08F2 378F 45C7 ?4E11 8AFA 4E29 710D 0D66 > > > _______________________________________________ > ipv6-hackathon mailing list > ipv6-hackathon at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-hackathon > From BECHA at ripe.net Tue Nov 7 14:10:53 2017 From: BECHA at ripe.net (Vesna Manojlovic) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 14:10:53 +0100 Subject: [ipv6-hackathon] Short update, request for feedback, and THANK YOU again :) In-Reply-To: <78ea9943-e2e6-b64a-d6c9-01506cb44aed@ripe.net> References: <78ea9943-e2e6-b64a-d6c9-01506cb44aed@ripe.net> Message-ID: <78236452-6ed6-406b-51b2-6ed586081d5c@ripe.net> Hi, I'm back home! Happy but tired ;-) Follow-up items: 1. Since it will take a long time till I publish a full report on RIPE Labs, with all of the material that you keep sending, here is a _short_ report: a subset of slides I made for the IPv6 Day report: https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/File:Short-IPv6-hackathon-update.pdf 2. Please send me a brief feedback: (NOT to the list) * what was what you liked the best * what's one thing you would have preferred to be different Of course, you can write a long essay with your feelings & constructive feedback, I love to hear from you -- but if you don't have time nor energy, two items only would be great ! 3. If you have more material: photos, videos, slides, GitHub links, success-stories , use cases after the hackathon.. keep on sending them! 4. For the funded participants: if you want to receive money _fast_, the sooner you send me your back-account details & a confirmation of your presence (boarding pass; hotel receipt), the sooner my colleagues in finance department will be able to pay you. 5. And again - thank you for all the work & all the fun! Hugs, Vesna From hlk at kramse.org Thu Nov 9 11:04:47 2017 From: hlk at kramse.org (Henrik Lund =?UTF-8?B?S3JhbXNow7hq?=) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 11:04:47 +0100 Subject: [ipv6-hackathon] Pocket Internet Follow-up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20171109110447.5f8f67a2@hlk-pc> On Tue, 7 Nov 2017 11:29:16 +0000 Cristian Sirbu wrote: > Team Pocket Internet, > > First of all, a massive thank you for believing in my proposal and > working hard these two days to make it into something that actually > works! It was a great pleasure to hack with all of you and I'm sure > our paths will cross again in the future. > > *Please unicast back to me an email reply as I don't have all your > addresses!* Done :-D Best regards Henrik -- Mvh/Best regards Henrik Lund Kramsh?j, Follower of the Great Way of Unix internet samurai cand.scient CISSP hlk at kramse.org hlk at zencurity.dk +45 2026 6000 From hakkrist at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 09:13:47 2017 From: hakkrist at gmail.com (Kristina Hakobyan) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2017 12:13:47 +0400 Subject: [ipv6-hackathon] Event photos (Kristina Hakobyan) Message-ID: Hello to all! At first, I wanna say thanks to everyone starting from organizers and ending with participants. It was a real pleasure to spend those two days with you. Hope all projects will go alive and have a success! And, it will be so good if the people who have taken the photos would share those with us. In attached file are a few photos which were taken by me. Thanks in advance! 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It was a real pleasure to spend those two days > with you. Hope all projects will go alive and have a success! > > And, it will be so good if the people who have taken the photos would > share those with us. In attached file are a few photos which were taken > by me. > > Thanks in advance! > Hope we will meet...:) > > > _______________________________________________ > ipv6-hackathon mailing list > ipv6-hackathon at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-hackathon > From hakkrist at gmail.com Sat Nov 11 19:24:06 2017 From: hakkrist at gmail.com (Kristina Hakobyan) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 22:24:06 +0400 Subject: [ipv6-hackathon] Event photos (Kristina Hakobyan) Message-ID: Hello, Thank you, Sebastian Here are my photos: http://dropmefiles.com/jvxDQ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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