<div dir="ltr">Great suggestions Corinne! See my comments in an earlier message I sent as well.<div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Best,</font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">-Michael</font></div><div dir="ltr"><div></div> </div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div> <br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 6:28 AM, Corinne Cath <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:corinnecath@gmail.com" target="_blank">corinnecath@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Thanks for sharing Gordon, and good question Shane.. I found the article a bit lacking in terms of a clear reason why regulation is *the* main way forward. It is not said that if you leave the regulation of IoT in the hands of several different governments across the world that you get better security standards all-round. More likely, you will get certain jurisdictions that do a good job and others that don't.<br><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I also feel that the call for governments to take this up really opens the door to legitimizing the ongoing efforts at the ITU to make it the hub for IoT standard development. And looking at the recent discussions on Over the Top (OTT) services and DOA at the ITU-D WTSA meeting, I am not sure that is good solution.<br><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Rather, it would be great if we could find a way to look at soft law options and encourage the technical actors responsible for developing security considerations to take the importance of strong security for IoT on board, if only because if they don't people will lose trust in them and their stuff they build. <br><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">And there I see a clear role for RIPE and its members. <br><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Happy to further discuss! Best,<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 11:00 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:iot-discussion-request@ripe.net" target="_blank">iot-discussion-request@ripe.<wbr>net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send iot-discussion mailing list submissions to<br> <a href="mailto:iot-discussion@ripe.net" target="_blank">iot-discussion@ripe.net</a><br> <br> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/iot-discussion" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman<wbr>/listinfo/iot-discussion</a><br> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a href="mailto:iot-discussion-request@ripe.net" target="_blank">iot-discussion-request@ripe.ne<wbr>t</a><br> <br> You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a href="mailto:iot-discussion-owner@ripe.net" target="_blank">iot-discussion-owner@ripe.net</a><br> <br> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br> than "Re: Contents of iot-discussion digest..."<br> <br> <br> Today's Topics:<br> <br> 1. Re: Regulating the IoT (Shane Kerr)<br> <br> <br> ------------------------------<wbr>------------------------------<wbr>----------<br> <br> Message: 1<br> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 12:51:10 +0800<br> From: Shane Kerr <<a href="mailto:shane@time-travellers.org" target="_blank">shane@time-travellers.org</a>><br> To: Gordon Lennox <<a href="mailto:gordon.lennox.13@gmail.com" target="_blank">gordon.lennox.13@gmail.com</a>><br> Cc: <a href="mailto:iot-discussion@ripe.net" target="_blank">iot-discussion@ripe.net</a><br> Subject: Re: [iot-discussion] Regulating the IoT<br> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:20161122125110.47650945@pallas.home.time-travellers.org" target="_blank">20161122125110.47650945@palla<wbr>s.home.time-travellers.org</a>><br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br> <br> Gordon,<br> <br> At 2016-11-18 14:10:52 +0100<br> Gordon Lennox <<a href="mailto:gordon.lennox.13@gmail.com" target="_blank">gordon.lennox.13@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> <br> > You can read Bruce Schneier?s take here:<br> ><br> > <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/11/03/your-wifi-connected-thermostat-can-take-down-the-whole-internet-we-need-new-regulations/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.washingtonpost.com<wbr>/posteverything/wp/2016/11/03/<wbr>your-wifi-connected-thermostat<wbr>-can-take-down-the-whole-<wbr>internet-we-need-new-regulatio<wbr>ns/</a><br> ><br> > And here:<br> ><br> > <a href="https://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram/archives/2016/1115.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.schneier.com/crypt<wbr>o-gram/archives/2016/1115.html</a><br> <br> He's not wrong. But is there a path to reasonable regulation? 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