<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)"><style></style></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks James,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You’ve given this so much time and thought, thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’ll keep my mouth shut on this one (apart from our below the radar discussions). It’s up to some good engineers to chime in if they’re interested in this technical forum now.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Just one report of interest. The interoperability is happening. <a href="http://searchunifiedcommunications.techtarget.com/news/2240185144/Lync-Skype-integration-helps-quench-user-demand-IT-concerns">http://searchunifiedcommunications.techtarget.com/news/2240185144/Lync-Skype-integration-helps-quench-user-demand-IT-concerns</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Not sure whether NRENs have any part to play in it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards, si<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> James Sankar [mailto:James.Sankar@aarnet.edu.au] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 1 June 2013 1:08 PM<br><b>To:</b> Simon Fenton-Jones; 'Rui Ribeiro'; 'Victor Reijs (work)'; 'Alex Galhano Robertson'; 'Peter Szegedi'<br><b>Cc:</b> discussion@nrenum.net; tf-media-prep1@terena.org; enum-wg@ripe.net; 'Juan Quemada'; Ben Fineman; tf-msp@terena.org<br><b>Subject:</b> [tf-msp] Re: [discussion] Re: Global Virtual Numbering<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Dear Simon, All<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Lets try and unpack this a bit.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>RIPE is responsible for issuing IP addresses, IP addresses are designed to enable connected devices to communicate using IP packets between switches and routers to reach from the sender to the intended receiver, this is an underlying transport mechanism for all data to be transmitted and in ways that we can reach that destination or by alternate means should the initial route have a link fail or congestion - it was designed in a way to maintain baseline communications in the event of a network failure or war way back when.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Now as humans we are not very good at remembering numbers, as such DNS allowed for domain names <a href="http://www.domain.com">www.domain.com</a> to map to IP addresses so that you could through a Domain Name Server (DNS) type the more memorable name which would map to the correct IP address which would then enable requests or data to be sent there. This then allowed for <a href="mailto:user@domain.name">user@domain.name</a> for individual messaging (email) though I am a little young to know if the order of things was this way (DNS then email).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>So now we can find websites and send messages, hey why not collaborate in real time and not just read static webpages and send email? Along came the likes of voice and video over the Internet, but not everyone had access and we relied on phones from traditional telecommunications providers over the PSTN at a $ per minute charging regime. With the growing IP/Data network reach and improvements in IP reliability and quality of service, receiving reliable communications in real time became a reality but what should we use to make that call? Surely we should have a system that can take advantage of free calls where we can have IP connectivity and failing that some way to still have the call go over the PSTN network if its not connected to the IP network or there are issues on the IP network such as congestion, jitter or latency that would not support such calls. Hence the birth of the IP-PBX (telecommunication industry solution) and the birth of VoIP and Video over IP (Internet industry). These have pretty much converged with the majority of customers moving away from PABX to IP Telephony and Video. So we have H.323 which uses a hierarchy of gatekeepers to route telephone numbers to destinations for VoIP/Video calling in the same way I described earlier to some extent for IP numbers in the IP world, and more recently we have SIP which takes the more memorable form of an email address using DNS (mentioned earlier) to route calls over a mapped IP addressed to make calls that way too. Now the formats present issues from a usability view, its easier to dial a phone number on your phone or mobile and probably easier to type a SIP address on a soft VoIP/Video client on a laptop and maybe easiest to use an IP address for a room enabled video end point but we need flexibility here to cater for all, hence the binding of ENUM to allow all three modes to operate so you should not have to care which way you want to dial your call. All the underlying querying and routing typically happens using Infrastructure ENUM which maintains large lists of numbers that can be routed to their destinations which may like H.323 follow a hierarchy of ENUM like resolvers within a root tree format or from direct DNS based queries (are you still with me here?).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>So what I am trying to explain here is how our forms of communications have changed depending on the nature of the communication and the application available. I am not going to even attempt to get into the latest social media like forms than to say these are like Skype and tend to be islands, you need to be part of the cohort by registering and then you can go and seek out your friends or contacts and connect with them to establish application layer like communities to collaborate with in a rich media way. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Now you can see that we have many layers built up over time, luckily we've not seen any layers giving way, at best we see some telecommunications carriers complain that they have to pay for all the physical infrastructure whilst Facebook, Skype, twitter, snap chat and others ride "over the top" to skim the revenues largely through advertising and premium services and the handset phablet makers make a nice profit from both the infrastructure and the applications and content too.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>So my understanding of these discussions and attempts to bring folks together cross domain are that there may be a concern that the Internet is not as organised or indexed based searchable as we would like it to be to find people and know it really is them and not an impersonator, to communicate in easy and various ways and to share and find content easily to empower true research and education leaps beyond traditional serendipity. Having such a system and standards may also allow for metrics on the value and effectiveness of content and services in use which has led to growth in business analytics and intelligence. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>But who would and should set standards and would that stifle creativity? We've seen time and again that if there is one thing for sure, the online world we operate in will find a smarter, better or simply a work around to anything. See Data Warehousing for Corporate Data, great way to organise but with the growth of sources and formats of data its not agile and is expensive and has led to Hadoop and fluid number crunching analysis of speech and video to text, social media streams and traditional data sources mixed together to produce new insights and the rise of the data scientist. I remain a little sceptical about that because to infer that we delivered a much complex interwoven analysis of real time data to produce market research that was then acted on and this produced a better business outcomes is debatable. In terms of the level of contribution to the outcome, could it have happened solely as a result of the action and not the result and interpretation that led to the action? Ah maybe we are about to see the rise of the social scientist and philosopher?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>So as I wrap up here my final thoughts are where are we headed in this internet connected world that serves up more data than ever in many new ways, consuming content and automating decisions, well IMHO we need to remain mindful of the knowledge is power element, this is where privacy and personal data and regulation comes into play but we need to balance that with the great creativity that can really change our world for the forces of good too but how can we measure this being effective when its so easy to fall into complexity and distraction? So as I continue to wander in and out of that detail lets ask ourselves the following<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>1. What is the problem we are trying to solve with global virtual numbering and why?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>2. Do we want to achieve an iterative organic way forward or something more radical/game changing, why?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>3. What would success translate to you, then work backwards to form a plan maybe?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>4. Is Indexing that important, please ask your librarian as I would love to know and be corrected.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Have a great weekend folks and I hope this email provides some thought and context around these discussions, if I've completely misinterpreted what has been written in the thread and I sorry and follow that up by saying can you please explain again some other way :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Best wishes</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>James</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Director, AARNet Enterprise Services</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span 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The main thing, throughout all of<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>this enum stuff, is to encourage/force some interoperability between various<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>vendor's (let's call them) 'unified messaging' solutions. If that's not the<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>primary problem/challenge, could someone tell me what is?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>In the first instance, we should have no interest in the technical<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>considerations. We should just look at the potential market and figure out<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>how, if we we're able to come up with an approach which pulled a market, any<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>private vendor would want to jump on it.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>So let me illustrate the potential market. I.e. global groups. To be clear.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>"Groups" tend to fall into these three divisions.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="https://www.ripe.net/ripe/groups">https://www.ripe.net/ripe/groups</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>We can see that there have been many discussions about ENUM going on around<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>various domains for many years. E.g.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/enum-wg/">http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/enum-wg/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>So that's one indication of one global conversation, around some piece of<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Research, which takes place, in different languages, in hundreds of domains,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>at any one time. Even when these researchers get together at conferences,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>their records are buried around various institutional and association web<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>sites. We all know that because, since the web was invented, we can all see<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>it. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>In the case of RIPE, we will discover what its institutional peers have in<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>common only by reading documents which are buried on some other (higher<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>order) domain. E.g. <a href="http://www.nro.net/wp-content/uploads/RIR_WTPF13_2.pdf">http://www.nro.net/wp-content/uploads/RIR_WTPF13_2.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>This is not an unusual situation. Everyone within some sphere of practice is<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>siloed, and often try and overcome their limitation by inventing another<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>institution, domain, & web site. And keeping the same discussions separate.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>While this fragmentation of effort is now obvious, we have librarians who,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>because the limit themselves to manhandling information/papers/journals (and<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>ignore Communications solutions as studiously as Communications technicians<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>ignore their needs) must pay publishers to aggregate journals on behalf of<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>global (peer) groups. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Bringing it down to our present situation. Our BOF, at this terena domain,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>have our enum discussion, which will have no record unless the elist has an<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>archive. So while James will suggest the OVCC guys have an interest in our<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>discussion, and I point to the Ripe enum group, and Peter I am sure will<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>have some interested parties inside Geant and Dante, there is simply nowhere<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>in domain in cyberspace we might all look to as a spot where other<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>communities with an interest in ENUM might reside, or have resided. The<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>demands for collaboration are obvious, and we all have ideas about real time<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>& asynchronous tools, But that's not important until we have some means of<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>finding our global peers, or peers who might have proceeded us in the same<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>inquiry. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>If you consider a solution to this problem, You'll be thinking (perhaps, in<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>terms of a new TLD, say) .research. Or using an existing domain like .edu.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Regardless, if you are a librarian it will be quite an obvious thing to<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>consider using an old classification scheme for the domain. What is, using<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>the existing way of classifying domain names called <a href="http://ddc.typepad.com/">http://ddc.typepad.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>is just as recognizable to a (dewey) librarian as <a href="http://www.025.431.com">www.025.431.com</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Now the only shortfall of this approach, using six numbers, is that it can<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>only define 999,999 virtual domains. But it's strength is that these become<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>not just pointers to a million transitional domains, but long term archives<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>in their own right. It's the policies, which are made for the use of virtual<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>rooms - interoperable, open source, open access, IPv6, etc - where the real<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>influence resides. A Global user group doesn't get issued one unless they<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>agree. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>So you might understand. I don't see the domain being issued by network, or<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>service, operators. They get issued by librarians. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>If we get that far, we'll need a prefix to be tacked on to a room's number,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>so people can dial in to a room/conference, using the PSTN, without<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>incurring toll charges.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I hope that scopes the concept clearly.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>All the best, si<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>From: Rui Ribeiro [<a href="mailto:rui.ribeiro@fccn.pt">mailto:rui.ribeiro@fccn.pt</a>] <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Sent: Wednesday, 29 May 2013 6:14 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>To: 'Simon Fenton-Jones'; 'James Sankar'<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Cc: <a href="mailto:discussion@nrenum.net">discussion@nrenum.net</a>; <a href="mailto:tf-media-prep1@terena.org">tf-media-prep1@terena.org</a>; 'Alex Galhano<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Robertson'; 'Victor Reijs (work)'; 'Peter Szegedi'; <a href="mailto:enum-wg@ripe.net">enum-wg@ripe.net</a>; 'Juan<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Quemada'<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Subject: RE: [discussion] Re: Global Virtual Numbering<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>{{<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Something like this would be possible:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>00 ### @ %%%%%%%%<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>00 ### @@ %%%%%%%<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>00 ### @@@ %%%%%%<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>00 ### @@@@ %%%%%<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>00 ### @@@@@ %%%%<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Can't figure out why we'd need a network number though.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>}}<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I see two reasons upfront:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>1. TERENA (or NRENum.net admins) don't have the structure to delegate<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>directly every block.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>2. Organizations (NRENs, PCMG's*, ...) will want to delegate some blocks on<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>their own or "transpose" their current numbering into the "global tree".<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>* PCMG's = entities like: Polycom, Cisco, Microsoft, Google, ...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Rui Ribeiro<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Gestor Servi�o T�cnico de V�deo<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>GEANT3 - SA3 - T4, eduCONF Leader<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>FCCN<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Aviso de Confidencialidade/Disclaimer<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Esta mensagem � exclusivamente destinada ao seu destinat�rio, podendo conter<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>informa��o CONFIDENCIAL, cuja divulga��o est� expressamente vedada nos<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>termos da lei. 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The Open<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Visual Communications Consortium (OVCC) are working with carriers, managed<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>service providers, video vendors and supporting service providers to do just<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>that. Given we seem to be redefining the objectives and goal it may make<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>sense to gain an insight into the issues and challenges that the OVCC face<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>so that we can take that effort and any learnings into account. If this<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>would be of value I can organise OVCC leaders in the technical WG to meet<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>via video.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Best wishes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>James Sankar<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>On 28/05/13 8:27 PM, "Rui Ribeiro" <<a href="mailto:rui.ribeiro@fccn.pt">rui.ribeiro@fccn.pt</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 3.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 3.0pt;margin-left:3.0pt;margin-right:0cm' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi Alex,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>{{<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I insist, we need to clearly define our objectives with this global <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>numbering plan.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>}}<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>IMHO, we need a way to allow addressing of IP voice and video terminals <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>within the global numbering plan that is widely used, without the <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>restrictions of the current numbering plan.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Restrictions = number associated with phone service.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>{{<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>- We want to integrate videoconference and telephony services.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>}}<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>True. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>{{<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>- We want a number-only global addressing scheme. No alfabetic characters.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>}}<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>"In the future", URI dialing will be the way. I think that we all <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>acknowledge that. But, for the moment, numbers are needed and the <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>correct approach to "route" numbers into URIs is using ENUM. Yes, I <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>would look for a "number-only global addressing scheme".<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>{{<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>- We want it to be "E.164 compilant", so we could call from any <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>videophone or even any standard phone.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>}}<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>There is a subtle thing that is mixed on this sentence. First, yes, we <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>should be E.164 compliant, as this would promote integration with the <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>current PSTN network and ease future integration. The other thing is to <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>make a call... I would like, but it isn't a MUST today, to be able to <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>dial from a<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>(pstn) phone to these "number-only global addressing scheme". "In the <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>future", if we are an extension of e.164, then it would be easy for <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>operators to route calls from their terminals/phones.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>{{<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>- The translation to URI will be done by NRENum.net.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>}}<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Yes.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>{{<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>0- Do we really need virtual numbers?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>IMHO, we dont need it. At least, the majoroty of our NRENs does not <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>need it.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>But we want it because some countries (its universities and even NRENs) <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>have dificulties to obtain real telephone numbers and make this real <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>numbers the addres of its videoconference rooms.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>}}<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>True. Look at the wider picture and think of other service providers <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>that, already promote V&V services within their own numbering plan.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>What if there was an global service that would accommodate these <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>numbers/networks?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>{{<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>As the answer is "we want it", let�s go on with other questions...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>}}<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Ok. ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>{{<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>1- What we should address?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>A- people: our office deskphone or our personal videoconference <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>software<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>B- groups: group of deskphones<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>C- video resources: MCU rooms, physical room "CODECs", Webconf rooms <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>(if we can make it interoperate, etc)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>D- all above<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I think letter C is the correct one, because we already have one <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>telephone number on our business cards. And it is easy to map those <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>addresses on NRENum.net. It is already done for most of us, I think.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>}}<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Option "E" - All of the above and whatever comes up next! Numbers are <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>just numbers... they will then be used for whatever purpose people <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>wants to use them. We should not block their usage upfront by saying <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>"only to be used by physical terminals". There should be rules about <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>the quality of the records, but other than that, we should promote <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>innovation of services.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>{{<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>3- How should the scheme be?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>A- Hierarchical and country code dependent?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>B- Flat, non-hierarchical, independent on any existing coutry code<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I think this is the key question to be answered!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>It would be much easier if we choose leter A. It is already done for <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>most of us.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>But some people prefer the first choice: flat and CC independent.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>}}<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>If A is chosen, there will be three problems:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>1. (must!) exist country organization to take care of the service with <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>all the problems associated with it: uptake, different rules, business <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>case, politics, ...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>2. bigger numbers (at least more 3 digits...) 3. doesn't solve supra <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>national entities/networks.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I'm in favor of B, but based on the concept of networks. There should <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>be a "world wide registry" for these networks and then there will be <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>registrys to take part of those numbers. Of course NRENs could apply to <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>take care of the CC code, if they want to, but this would open up the <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>management outside country boundaries. For instance, on eduCONF, the <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>numbering that we aim is supra national, where should it be placed on a <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>CC code hierarchy. Where should, for instance, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Polycom/Cisco/Microsoft/Google register costumers?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>(please don't flame me on these reference to companies (PCMG). They are <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>a big part of the videoconference ecosystem, preparing the model to <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>allow them to enter is, IMHO, a wise decision)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>{{<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>If we decide for option B, I would like to make some other questions <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>about that IPv4 aproach I proposed a few days ago.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>}}<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>We could use a "network" prefix to that kind of numbering... just like <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>any other network (educonf, country's nren, PCMG, ...) it would be <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>interesting because it could be registration free and hassle free. In <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>fact most of it would be able to be automatically assigned. But it <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>isn't a<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>"silver bullet"<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 3.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 3.0pt;margin-left:3.0pt;margin-right:0cm' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>to solve the issue because many terminals are behind nat and you can't <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>address all the terminals these way.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Again... the wide/open the model, the more distinct and innovative the <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>options will be.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>{{<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>1- How many NRENs or Universities are using NATed IP addresses in its <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>MCUs?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>As H.323 and SIP is not so good with NAT, I dare say no NAT and no <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>private IP addresses (10/8, 172.16/12 or 192.168/16) are been used for <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>these video resources.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>}}<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Many... most (if not all!) of our VoIP network is behind an SBC that is <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>the only "public" IP address known on the open network. H.323 is even <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>less good transversing NAT, nevertheless there are many using that <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>architecture.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>{{<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>2- How many of these video resources are using IPv6?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Who has today an MCU using just IPv6?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>When do you plan to remove IPv4 from these devices?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>}}<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>There are IPv6 resources available, all Cisco (Cisco, Tandberg, Codian) <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>products are IPv6 enabled. Others like Radvision, Lifesize and Polycom <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>are taking major steps. There are some NRENs that are providing the <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>service in IPv6.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Of course there isn't a date to remove IPv4. The question, is when will <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>it be impossible to add terminals to the IPv4 network. When it happens, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>we need to be prepared.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>As final comment:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The structure that I propose is something like:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>00{INP}{NP}{NUMBER}<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>INP = Internet Number Prefix CC (as "883", or something similar...) NP <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>= Network Prefix to be assigned by the global registry. It could be <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>from<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>1 digit to 5 digits (?). Where NP that are equal to E.164 CC could be <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>reserved to NRENs or regulators of those countries.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>NUMBER = extension number within the network addressed by {NP}. The <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>total number should not be longer than 14(?) digits.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Something like this would be possible:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>00 ### @ %%%%%%%%<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>00 ### @@ %%%%%%%<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>00 ### @@@ %%%%%%<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>00 ### @@@@ %%%%%<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>00 ### @@@@@ %%%%<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Eventually the INP should be just 1 digit, but that would send us to <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>another "numbering war". ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>This structure would allow us to delegate about 40k networks...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Rui<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Rui Ribeiro<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Gestor Servi�o T�cnico de V�deo<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>GEANT3 - SA3 - T4, eduCONF Leader<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>FCCN<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Aviso de Confidencialidade/Disclaimer<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Esta mensagem � exclusivamente destinada ao seu destinat�rio, podendo <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>conter informa��o CONFIDENCIAL, cuja divulga��o est� expressamente <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>vedada nos termos da lei. 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