[enum-wg] Meanwhile back in good ol' Germany

On Oct 20, 2004, at 9:46 AM, John-Erik Horn wrote:

> I tend to agree with Thilo.
> Does anyone really believe that an incumbent telco
> is going to "hurry up" and implement a brand new prefix
> and enable an innovative service to its own economic disadvantage?

The only way to keep a telco business running is to invest in the 
future. No teleco will sell the same services of today in 5 years time. 
So by cannibalizing  parts of revenue (which you can very well 
compensate by optimizing costs and gaining revenues form the new 
services) for new technologies you guarantee the survival of your 
telecom company.

> On the other hand are special prefixes for VoIP truly a step forward 
> for
> VoIP services?

Yes, one problem with VoIP only numbers is that the caller network must 
know if 1) called number is allocated and 2) where the called number is 
to be found  VoIP/PSTN. This is critical in order to avoid routing 
loops. Having ENUM void service and dedicated area code for IP only 
solve this problems.

> Or are we being misled to develop our own subculture
> on the net and let ourselves become marginalized instead of truly
> converging the networks which in the ultimate consequence must mean
> using geographical "normal" teleophone numbers for VoIP services.
> Which also means seamless transitions between networks (IP and telco).

Convergence means you have to start somewhere in a non disruptive way 
and find a smooth migration path. All who started with dedicated 
prefixes have achieved critical mass of VoIP subscribers the rest are 
still busy with debates.

> I personally see the subjects prefix 032 (in Germany), ENUM validation 
> and
> unbundling of the local loop as smoke bombs to distract the VoIP 
> community.

No, is a ventilation shaft being open.

> It is sad that the RegTP plays along with this game.
> Any of the above mentioned subjects could be solved
> and/or implemented within months, not years, if there was a will.

It should but not everyone agrees to my points (they agree with you :-)

>
> Greetz,
> John-Erik Horn
> VoIP Project Manager
> toplink-plannet GmbH
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stastny Richard" <Richard.Stastny at oefeg.at>
> To: "Carsten Schiefner" <enumvoipsip.cs at schiefner.de>; 
> <enum-wg at ripe.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 4:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [enum-wg] Meanwhile back in good ol' Germany
>
>
>>> One of the major outcomes is that allocation rules for 032 national
>>> numbers will be out as early as 24 November (this year! ;-) and that
>>> ranges may be applied for immediately afterwards.
>>
>> Really? I have heard this differently today from Thilo Salmon here at 
>> the
> VON:
>> He said that it will take DT approx. year to have the routing for 
>> 032in
> place
>>
>> Richard
>>