[enum-wg] repost: Proposal for non-geographic ENUM E.164 UPTS for the general public

hi!

 > There are both national and international UPT numbers
 > under discussion for years.
 > In some countries there are
 > or will be soon available ENUM (e164.arpa) driven
 > number ranges (+43780, +42360, etc). There is also
 > an international range +87810 available.

as for the national enum number spaces, just a few are decided, others 
are in discussion at a stage where results can not be foreseen, and in 
most cases non-regional enum prefixes are not in sight. also, national 
prefixes are still a bad idea for global nomadic use, they are national.

do you regard +87810 as available to the general public? are the numbers 
portable so that, let's say, a customer of yours wants to transfer 
services to us, will you change enum delegation?

 > Do you know what and how long it takes to get
 > +8787 assigned by ITU-T?

i know how long it took visionng.
plus, the 7 was of course just an idea. probably the ITU just delegates 
2-number-delegations under +878. but in case there is sympathy for the 
idea and a mutual wish to provide for a large space, the 7 would 
certainly be a nice choice ;)

 > But this is the lesser
 > problem: Do you know what it takes to get a new
 > CC routed in all countries of the world by all providers
 > in this country?

well there are certainly no chances to have increasing reachability 
without getting the prefix started.
i guess a RIR/NRO allocated space with its vast amount of users has the 
potential to speed this process up, in comparison to other cases.
also, i hope that it's possible to take advantage of experience of 
individuals in this community, so e.g. i guess you could provide 
valuable input for the ITU-T TSB +878* delegation application, so that 
it could be avoided to have a rejected application because of formal 
errors in the first place.
actually i beleive the issues regarding routing would be very different 
from e.g. a 'real' cc-prefix. i beleive this is a very complex topic, my 
assessment is that at large it will probably be easier, while it's in 
the same time not crucial to have a good reachability from pstn right 
from the start.
in case of ripe as the tier 1 i'd even be very positive about remarkably 
flawless operation in voip/enum networks right from the beginning.

 > Forget it. For Liechtenstein, the last
 > country with a new CC, it took 3 years and it was a
 > nightmare.

good that they had it started, because it was probably a good idea anyway :)
simply not trying to get a prefix for global portable upts available to 
the general public won't help to solve the needs of voip-users.

 > This is the major reason why +87810 is still not up
 > and running.

maybe the proposal could provide for better motivation to speed things 
up, in the end the represented community is much bigger and actual 
demands will certainly bring things forward.

 > If you use a national number, the number
 > can at least by routed via the country as a default.

...and this works. that's true. still, i think it's a good idea to start 
a good solution to the questions emerging in new technologies - even if 
they take long to realise.
when you say routed via the country as default, do you have 
international portability in mind?
also, from your post i get the impression you gave up on +87810?

kind regards,

	Chris Heinze