RE: data point - anonymous E.164 number usage

[Brandner Rudolf <]

Hi Lawrence, Michael,

Even if you have kind of 'registration', like in Germany, it is of no use. If I buy a Pre-Payed, I have to fill out a form and produce some kind of ID. After some time, I decide to sell the phone to someone called A. This person then decides to sell the phone to a person called B. As the Pre-Payed Cards are activated by a key being printed on that card, noone knows, who actually is using this phone and number. Regarding ENUM, this situation is going to be a pain.

Lawrence:
> before a Pre-Pay can be "activated".
Is the phone activated or any card I bought at the local grocery?

Many thanks,
Rudi


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> To: Michael Haberler
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> Subject: Re: data point - anonymous E.164 number usage
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> 
> Hi Michael, folks,
>    In the UK, there seems to be a move to requiring 
> registration online 
> before a Pre-Pay can be "activated".
> Note - anonymous purchase, but registered use.
> 
> For example, Vodafone have an online registration system that 
> we tried 
> to consider in the UK trial as part of a streamlined authentication 
> system.
> 
> Of course, the number of phones Mickey Mouse must have is large, but 
> it's a step away from anonymity (or towards big brother - the 
> choice is 
> not yours).
> 
> all the best,
>    Lawrence
> 
> On 26 Feb 2004, at 7:39 pm, Michael Haberler wrote:
> 
> >  In the context of validation of numbers for ENUM, I have tried to 
> > estimate the amount of mobile users which have totally anonymously 
> > bought a prepaid SIM card, or in other words, users of 
> E.164 numbers 
> > which have no trace at all in a phonebook or other records.
> >
> >  In the EU, all countries except Germany, Hungary and Italy permit 
> > totally anonymous purchase of prepaid SIM cards. This 
> indicates that 
> > about 65% of the EU population have access to anonymous 
> mobile service 
> > (even in Italy, just a taxpayer code is needed which is not 
> subscriber 
> > data but allows to track down a user for law enforcement - but lets 
> > leave that out for the sake of argument; in France I understand a 
> > record is made for purposes of recovering a lost SIM card 
> but not for 
> > proof of identity).
> >
> >  There are about 400 Million mobile users in Europe, and 
> penetration 
> > of prepaid is about 40%. Assuming that nobody registers if 
> he doesnt 
> > have to, and multiplying those figures a ballpark estimate is that 
> > there are about 100 Million E.164 numbers in use in Europe 
> without any 
> > subscriber data just through the use of prepaid SIM cards.
> >
> > -Michael
>