RE: ENUM trials in general

[Kevin McCandless <]

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stastny Richard [
	    
	    
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> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 7:55 AM
> To: Jim Reid
> Subject: RE: ENUM trials in general 
> 
> 
> I think people are always mixing up trials and commercial 
> applications. What is the reason of a trial:
> 
> According to Robert W. Lucky the reason for trials is:
> develop the technology
> understand the economics
> discover the difficulties
> (and claim your stake)
> 
> and I add another reason: get cheap beta-testers
> 
> these guys do not have a problem with privacy, so 
> what is the problem?
> 
> For a commercial application we may set up a white page
> with opt-in, again what is the problem.
> 
> A ENUM subsciber opt-in in User ENUM does anyway have no serios
> problem with privacy and a nonlisted subscriber opting in in ENUM
> needs to have his head examined anyway.

We disagree with this statement.  Even though I opt-in into ENUM I still
want some of my information kept private.  Today I can scan the whois
database and not only get your domain information (much like a URI) but how
about your home address or office address.  Maybe I could show up at your
door step just to say hello ;-(
> 
> Most people talking about nonlisted numbers in ENUM (and
> blocks of telco numbers) are mixing up User and Infrastructure
> ENUM. Of course I cannot ask using ENUM for IN replacement if
> the subscriber of a ported number is going into the IN (ENUM) 
> database.
> 
> But in this case there is no privacy problem if I translate a E.164
> number
> to a routing number e.g. +43178780 to 8620178780. Even if someone
> queries this, he does not know more afterwards then before.
> 
> regards
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Reid [
	    
	    
] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 2:15 PM
> > To: Stastny Richard
> > Cc: Sabine Dolderer/Denic; Michael Haberler; 
> > axel.pawlik@localhost carsten@localhost 
> > daniel.karrenberg@localhost enum-trials@localhost 
> > marco.bernardi@localhost richard@localhost
> > Subject: Re: ENUM trials in general 
> > 
> > 
> > I am not convinced of the need for whois (either in general 
> > or for ENUM in particular). There is general consensus within 
> > the UK ENUM Group that a whois functionality is neither 
> > necessary nor desirable. I suppose this could change in light 
> > of experience gained during the trial.
> > 
> > For ENUM, I think that ultimately DNS hosting will be done by 
> > the telco or equivalent entity that's responsible for some 
> > number block. If that's true, this entity can be the initial 
> > point of contact for any DNS technical issues which crop up. 
> > I wonder how often whois gets genuinely used for that purpose 
> > today? And for ENUM, there will be cases where people will 
> > want to register a domain and NOT have a whois entry at all: 
> > an unlisted phone number perhaps. I believe that some 
> > regulators can get uptight about providing a reverse lookup 
> > capability on telephone numbers.
> > 
>