Re: Services Operations WG

Daniel Karrenberg <Daniel.Karrenberg@localhost wrote :

>
>  > "Erik Huizer (SURFnet BV)" <Erik.Huizer@localhost writes:
>  > Since the QED list has been quiet for some time without coming up with a
>  > real concensus on how to integrate operational meetings for service
>  > providers that want to discuss Services and applications (i.e. above
>  > transport layer) issues. Several proposed using the IEPG, and I hesitantly
>  > said that might be the right place, 
>  > but I feared for coordination of several
>  > application services. Since then the EEPG has been established, and to my
>  > surprise (no judgement intended) as a WG under RIPE. As the EEPG will be
>  > delivering the European IEPG members, that gives me a European insight
>  > into what falls within the capacity of an IEPG and what seems to be outside
>  > off its scope. 
>  > 
>  > I don't see such a group harbouring Directory Service Operations,
>  > Information service operations, Secure mail operations, x400ops etc.
>
>Erik,
>
>RIPE is a forum for network service providers.  There have been attempts
>to also discuss information services etc.  in RIPE but they have
>produced less concrete results than the network service related efforts.
>>From such fora (including the IEPG in my opinion) you can only expect
>that they deal with the problems relevant to their constituency.  Only a
>few application services are relevant to network service providers; for
>the others you need another forum woth other players involved. 
>It is just like publishers and the printing industry.  
>They are related but different. 
>I do not think that mixing the two will work very well. 
>
>Daniel
>
>
I think the reason we have not discussed these applications is that we
are still working hard on the low level stuff. Until we have that 
sorted I doubt that much resource will be made available.

The important mechanism within the Internet is that effort is 
expended on the basis of market forces. Tthe Internet does not
fix theoretical problems until the real problems are sorted.

See Marshal Roses discussions of ISO v ISOC

One part of the market is that of advertising to generatte demand.
If interested parties generate enough demand then the EXISTING bodies
should respond ((eventually).

There may be sufficient demand OK do a BoF to do market research.

One problem that is besetting this industry is that too many ad hoc
committees are set up but never die:-(

Peter Dawe 



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