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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Pavel,</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Thank you for your well thought out
response.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I appreciate your time invested in
trying to answer this question and I do not disagree fundamentally
with attempting to do so with raw data as much as possible. As
much as I would like to say I could stand side by side with you in
such an effort to continue to dig, we all have our limitations in
time that can be allotted, however, I fully support and appreciate
having as much data public as possible.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Personally, I am of a very suspicious
opinion that RIPE NCC has become quite the bloated organization
potentially stifled by its own size. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I would love to see your findings
shared with the community, and as active as the members mailing
list is currently, I do believe the time is ripe (pun intended)
for members to pay attention to additional data and metrics. I
feel evaluating expenses, and then extrapolating the benefit from
said expenses should be first and foremost on the list. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I look forward to what may come.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Daniel~<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/14/24 12:06 PM, Pavel Odintsov
wrote:<br>
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you very much for your question!</span></p>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">About
one month ago, the RIPE NCC Board proposed a draft of a
new charging scheme that stirred intense debate and
resistance from a significant portion of RIPE NCC Members.
This motivated me to join a group (</span><a
href="https://t.me/ripe_budget_talks"
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to better understand RIPE NCC finances and, ideally, to
propose an alternative charging scheme that aligns with
the interests and needs of as many RIPE NCC Members across
the regions as possible. Our group had fewer than a dozen
members at its inception and has grown to 110 members,
including RIPE NCC executives and the RIPE NCC Board
Chair. </span></p>
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<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">Our
first project was to propose an alternative charging
scheme, but we ran into a significant obstacle which
almost derailed our effort and caused delays - we missed
crucial data in machine-readable formats. We lack detailed
machine-readable information about RIPE NCC members, LIRs
(and their relationship with RIPE NCC members) and their
resources (IPv4, IPv6, PI, ASN) that they hold. In
response to this, we had to source side data to compensate
for the lack of this information from official sources. </span><span
style="background-color:transparent;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">As
we progressed, we discovered a total lack of information
about agreements with legacy resource holders and
associated fees. These details are crucial for modeling
charging schemes, yet they are clearly missing - this fact
was confirmed in writing by RIPE NCC staff.</span></p>
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charging scheme is only one aspect of the RIPE NCC budget.
Hence, we sought to understand how RIPE NCC allocates its
funds, and yet again, we encountered significant gaps in
our research which we were unable to fill using
information obtained through official channels. Please let
me know if you’re interested in details and I’ll be glad
to share all our findings with Community.</span></p>
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style="font-size:14.6667px">We cannot propose
alternative charging schemes or find ways to reduce
budget without having all the information needed
available to every single Member of RIPE NCC in a clear
and (ideally) machine readable format.</span><br
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style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">My
personal focus as a potential RIPE NCC Board member will
be on increased transparency as it’s the only way to
engage the incredible skill of our wide RIPE NCC Member
community and use it to find solutions to our current and
future challenges. </span></p>
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RIPE Community is invited to join our initiative, by
contributing knowledge and expertise to improve the RIPE
Community and RIPE NCC. Our main communication platform is
Telegram but we will be happy to add more platforms if
needed: </span><a href="https://t.me/ripe_budget_talks"
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you have any feedback or ideas to share, please contact me
here or reach me via the following channels:</span></p>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 14 May 2024 at 15:16,
Daniel Pearson <<a href="mailto:daniel@privatesystems.net"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">daniel@privatesystems.net</a>>
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appears this mailing list does not get used very much but I
would <br>
like a direct comment from each proposed candidate up for
election on <br>
the charging scheme changes, and your view point on if RIPE
should be <br>
reducing its budget and how the current situation is being
handled.<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks for your time.<br>
<br>
Daniel~<br>
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<span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br>
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