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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Pavel,</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Thank you for your well thought out
      response.</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I appreciate your time invested in
      trying to answer this question and I do not disagree fundamentally
      with attempting to do so with raw data as much as possible. As
      much as I would like to say I could stand side by side with you in
      such an effort to continue to dig, we all have our limitations in
      time that can be allotted, however, I fully support and appreciate
      having as much data public as possible.</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Personally, I am of a very suspicious
      opinion that RIPE NCC has become quite the bloated organization
      potentially stifled by its own size. <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I would love to see your findings
      shared with the community, and as active as the members mailing
      list is currently, I do believe the time is ripe (pun intended)
      for members to pay attention to additional data and metrics. I
      feel evaluating expenses, and then extrapolating the benefit from
      said expenses should be first and foremost on the list. <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I look forward to what may come.</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Daniel~<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/14/24 12:06 PM, Pavel Odintsov
      wrote:<br>
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              Daniel and all Community Members!</span></p>
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              you very much for your question!</span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
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              one month ago, the RIPE NCC Board proposed a draft of a
              new charging scheme that stirred intense debate and
              resistance from a significant portion of RIPE NCC Members.
              This motivated me to join a group (</span><a
              href="https://t.me/ripe_budget_talks"
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              to better understand RIPE NCC finances and, ideally, to
              propose an alternative charging scheme that aligns with
              the interests and needs of as many RIPE NCC Members across
              the regions as possible. Our group had fewer than a dozen
              members at its inception and has grown to 110 members,
              including RIPE NCC executives and the RIPE NCC Board
              Chair. </span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">Our
              first project was to propose an alternative charging
              scheme, but we ran into a significant obstacle which
              almost derailed our effort and caused delays - we missed
              crucial data in machine-readable formats. We lack detailed
              machine-readable information about RIPE NCC members, LIRs
              (and their relationship with RIPE NCC members) and their
              resources (IPv4, IPv6, PI, ASN) that they hold. In
              response to this, we had to source side data to compensate
              for the lack of this information from official sources. </span><span
style="background-color:transparent;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">As
              we progressed, we discovered a total lack of information
              about agreements with legacy resource holders and
              associated fees. These details are crucial for modeling
              charging schemes, yet they are clearly missing - this fact
              was confirmed in writing by RIPE NCC staff.</span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">The
              charging scheme is only one aspect of the RIPE NCC budget.
              Hence, we sought to understand how RIPE NCC allocates its
              funds, and yet again, we encountered significant gaps in
              our research which we were unable to fill using
              information obtained through official channels. Please let
              me know if you’re interested in details and I’ll be glad
              to share all our findings with Community.</span></p>
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                style="font-size:14.6667px">We cannot propose
                alternative charging schemes or find ways to reduce
                budget without having all the information needed
                available to every single Member of RIPE NCC in a clear
                and (ideally) machine readable format.</span><br
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style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline">My
              personal focus as a potential RIPE NCC Board member will
              be on increased transparency as it’s the only way to
              engage the incredible skill of our wide RIPE NCC Member
              community and use it to find solutions to our current and
              future challenges. </span></p>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">United we stand!</span></p>
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              RIPE Community is invited to join our initiative, by
              contributing knowledge and expertise to improve the RIPE
              Community and RIPE NCC. Our main communication platform is
              Telegram but we will be happy to add more platforms if
              needed: </span><a href="https://t.me/ripe_budget_talks"
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              you have any feedback or ideas to share, please contact me
              here or reach me via the following channels:</span></p>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 14 May 2024 at 15:16,
          Daniel Pearson <<a href="mailto:daniel@privatesystems.net"
            moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">daniel@privatesystems.net</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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        <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">It
          appears this mailing list does not get used very much but I
          would <br>
          like a direct comment from each proposed candidate up for
          election on <br>
          the charging scheme changes, and your view point on if RIPE
          should be <br>
          reducing its budget and how the current situation is being
          handled.<br>
          <br>
          <br>
          Thanks for your time.<br>
          <br>
          Daniel~<br>
          <br>
          <br>
          -- <br>
          eb-candidates mailing list<br>
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            moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">eb-candidates@ripe.net</a><br>
          <a
            href="https://mailman.ripe.net/"
            rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a><br>
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      <span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br>
      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">Sincerely yours, Pavel
        Odintsov</div>
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