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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">To clarify again...I think the TC
      members would be good candidates for the CoC Team - they already
      have some training and are known to the community :) <br>
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      On 20/10/2019 09:42, Amanda Gowland wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Hans Petter, <br>
        <br>
        On 19/10/2019 23:50, Hans Petter Holen wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="auto">Thanks for the hard work with the next version
          of the code of conduct. Special thanks to Brian and Sahsa for
          presenting the work.</div>
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        <div dir="auto">Now the final challenge is to establish
          consensus. This means identifying remaining issues and address
          them. (This does not mean that all can be solved, but we
          should aim to document why they are not solved at this point.)</div>
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        <div dir="auto">I have done a quick analisys of the differences
          between the existing code of conduct and the new code of
          conduct.</div>
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          <div><a
href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/ripe-meetings/ripe-meeting-code-of-conduct"
              moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/ripe-meetings/ripe-meeting-code-of-conduct</a></div>
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        <div dir="auto">and </div>
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          <div><a
href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/ripe-meetings/ripe-meeting-code-of-conduct-3-0-draft"
              moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/ripe-meetings/ripe-meeting-code-of-conduct-3-0-draft</a></div>
          <br>
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        <div dir="auto">The main text: «<span
            style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Open
Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> For
            over a quarter </span><span class="highlightedSearchTerm"
style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:rgb(255,255,170);color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Open
            Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">of</span><span
            style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Open
Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> a
            century, the </span><span class="ripe-glossary-popover"
            title=""
style="box-sizing:border-box;border-bottom-width:1px;border-bottom-style:dotted;border-bottom-color:rgb(204,204,204);color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Open
            Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">RIPE
            community</span><span
            style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Open
Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">'s
            strength comes from its breadth </span><span
            class="highlightedSearchTerm"
style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:rgb(255,255,170);color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Open
            Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">of</span><span
            style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Open
Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> experience,
            diversity </span><span class="highlightedSearchTerm"
style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:rgb(255,255,170);color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Open
            Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">of</span><span
            style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Open
Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> views,
            and an open, respectful exchange </span><span
            class="highlightedSearchTerm"
style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:rgb(255,255,170);color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Open
            Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">of</span><span
            style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Open
Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> ideas
            – values that we want all </span><span
            class="highlightedSearchTerm"
style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:rgb(255,255,170);color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Open
            Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">of</span><span
            style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Open
Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> our
            RIPE Meeting attendees to uphold.»</span></div>
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        <div dir="auto">Is the same in the two documents.</div>
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        <div dir="auto">In the old code of conduct it continues: «<span
            style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Open
Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> Please
            treat each other with tolerance and respect. Free speech and
            an open exchange </span><span class="highlightedSearchTerm"
style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:rgb(255,255,170);color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Open
            Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">of</span><span
            style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Open
Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> ideas
            are encouraged and celebrated. Demeaning, intimidating or
            harming anyone at the meeting is wrong. We are especially
            sensitive to behaviour that </span><span
            class="highlightedSearchTerm"
style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:rgb(255,255,170);color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Open
            Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">of</span><span
            style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Open
Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">fends
            based on gender, sexual orientation, religion, race or
            ethnic origin, or other perceived social, cultural, or
            personal differences.»</span></div>
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        <div dir="auto">This has been removed from the new Coc, at least
          from the Intro. Is this deliberate?</div>
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      No, it wasn't deliberate - the text is just so explicit later in
      the document on this but we can add it back it in, no problem. <br>
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        <div dir="auto">In the old code of conduct, there are currently
          3 trusted contacts, selected by the RIPE chair without any
          documented process. In the new version the trusted contacts
          has been renamed to a CoC team of 4 to 6 and with a process on
          how the RIPE Chair selects the </div>
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        <div dir="auto">As for consequences the existing CoC only states
          «<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Open
Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> Please
            be aware that attendees violating the RIPE Meeting </span><span
            class="highlightedSearchTerm"
style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:rgb(255,255,170);color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Open
            Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Code</span><span
            style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Open
Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> </span><span
            class="highlightedSearchTerm"
style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:rgb(255,255,170);color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Open
            Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">of</span><span
            style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Open
Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"></span><span
            class="highlightedSearchTerm"
style="box-sizing:border-box;background-color:rgb(255,255,170);color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Open
            Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Conduct</span><span
            style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Open
Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> may
            be asked to leave the meeting without a refund and other
            actions may be taken as deemed necessary.» </span></div>
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        <div dir="auto">In the new version there is a much more detailed
          list.</div>
        <div dir="auto">It goes one step further on two areas:</div>
        <div dir="auto">* Ban from future meetings is explicitly stated
          (which I would argue could happen under the existing CoC too)</div>
        <div dir="auto">* Removing content from presentations on the
          meeting web. Here the PC has taken a very principal possition
          that the submitted presentation will be published as
          presented. </div>
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        <div dir="auto">Appeals is not at all covered in the existing
          CoC but is specified in the new version.</div>
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        <div dir="auto">While this is a very quick and high level
          analisys, I am thinking of publishing my thoughts on this, but
          would like your input before I do so.</div>
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      Just to clarify - the intention with the CoC Team wasn't to
      replace the Trusted Contacts necessarily. But yeah, I think that
      if we have a CoC Team, then it's probably not necessary and if the
      existing TC members were to receive the additional training that
      the CoC Team would get, they could easily nominate themselves to
      be on the team. Having two bodies around this may be confusing and
      we definitely do not want that. <br>
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      As per the concerns raised earlier by Daniel and the discussion I
      had with you, we added the appeals process (two parts - for
      appealing a potential member of the CoC Team and for appealing a
      decision from the CoC Team on an investigation). Before sending it
      to the list, I spoke about this in detail with legal and
      incorporated their feedback into the 3.0 version. <br>
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