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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I have the content already on the
      website ready to go, just not published - I can also hide it from
      the menu/navigation, so you'd need the direct link to find it.
      Would that be a good way forward?<br>
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      On 16/05/2019 15:25, Brian Nisbet wrote:<br>
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            style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">That
            would be amazing, Amanda, hmm, well, we don’t want to
            suddenly start the discussion early due to people stumbling
            over it, before HPH has at least got a chance to look at it,
            but I may be being over cautious?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Brian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Brian
              Nisbet <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Service
              Operations Manager<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">HEAnet
              CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">1st Floor,
              5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">+35316609040
              <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:brian.nisbet@heanet.ie">brian.nisbet@heanet.ie</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.heanet.ie">www.heanet.ie</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Registered
              in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext"
                    lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                  style="color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> diversity
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:diversity-bounces@ripe.net"><diversity-bounces@ripe.net></a>
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Amanda Gowland<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Thursday 16 May 2019 14:07<br>
                  <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:diversity@ripe.net">diversity@ripe.net</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [diversity] CoC Draft & Action
                  Items<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">And should I get the latest version
              from Google Docs and put it on the website so it's easier
              to circulate?<br>
              <br>
              On 16/05/2019 15:06, Amanda Gowland wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">+1 to getting this circulated today<br>
                <br>
                On 16/05/2019 15:03, Brian Nisbet wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Sasha,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We absolutely don’t
                  want people nit picking and wordsmithing by committee
                  just about works, it doesn’t by community.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I think we can put
                  it out there and solicit a response, but it will have
                  to be framed as something that is happening, and while
                  it will be an open discussion, nor will every point be
                  addressed, but we as a TF (it’s absolutely not all on
                  you at all!) need to be able to justify our decisions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">So a lot of it will
                  be, “Please provide any feedback, which will be
                  considered and possibly included in a 2<sup>nd</sup>
                  draft.” I’m happy to lead that process on the mailing
                  list, as others may be?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">For me, the mandate
                  will come from a general consensus of the community.
                  The accountability… to the RIPE Chair and (soon to
                  exist) Vice-Chair? Or to the Exec Board? I’m hoping
                  others might have some thoughts here as well.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">There does have to
                  be some appeal (and the groups above might work, with
                  the Vice-Chair position in existence it might cover
                  some of the problems with a potential Chair being in
                  violation of the CoC?), but I haven’t got anything
                  better than the existing structures and all of them
                  have some issues, so which are the least bad.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’m very worried,
                  given it’s the Friday before the meeting, that really
                  presenting this at RIPE78 is going to be difficult.
                  But given there were no objections, I think what I can
                  do today is formally present the text as is to HPH and
                  see what he reckons. (It doesn’t have to be me, at
                  all, but I’m happy to do it.)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Brian</span><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Brian Nisbet <o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Service Operations Manager<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National
                  Education and Research Network<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC,
                  Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">+35316609040 <a
                    href="mailto:brian.nisbet@heanet.ie"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">brian.nisbet@heanet.ie</a>
                  <a href="http://www.heanet.ie" moz-do-not-send="true">www.heanet.ie</a><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Registered in Ireland, No. 275301.
                  CRA No. 20036270<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                        lang="EN-US"> diversity
                        <a href="mailto:diversity-bounces@ripe.net"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"><diversity-bounces@ripe.net></a>
                        <b>On Behalf Of
                        </b>Sasha Romijn<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday 14 May 2019 19:51<br>
                        <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:diversity@ripe.net"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">diversity@ripe.net</a><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [diversity] CoC Draft &
                        Action Items</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Brian,<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">I think these are good next
                    steps. I am a bit concerned about how to handle the
                    response from the wider community. We indeed don’t
                    want dozens of e-mails nitpicking every word, and
                    this is a document where that risk is more
                    significant than your average RIPE document. Also
                    because there is a limited amount of time and energy
                    I can put into responding and explaining things -
                    responding to comments from 8 people on this list is
                    still quite doable, but if there’s going to be 40
                    people commenting on the RIPE list, there’s limits
                    to what I can and will do. Unless someone starts
                    funding my work.<o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">So, some thought in advance about
                    how we could smoothen this process would be useful.
                    I have no ideas.<o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Regarding the CoC team structure,
                    mandate, process, etc., there will be questions if
                    we circulate the text without this covered, so we’d
                    need to explain that work on that is still ongoing.
                    I expect this may be a more controversial point for
                    the community, because it creates a new power
                    structure that does not entirely fall under existing
                    structures.<o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Someone also raised, in the
                    google doc comments, concerns about an option for
                    reconsideration of a decision by different people,
                    if someone feels the decision of the CoC team was
                    unjustified.<o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">As I said in my recent e-mail, I
                    have some early ideas about the team layout - those
                    are in no way fixed. But I don’t really have any
                    ideas on mandate, accountability, and at the same
                    time guaranteeing independence, preventing excessive
                    bureaucracy or fights on ripe-list about every CoC
                    decision. We do need to start working on this to
                    have any chance of putting something into operation
                    by RIPE79.<o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Sasha<o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      <o:p></o:p></p>
                    <blockquote
                      style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">On 10 May 2019, at 10:51,
                          Brian Nisbet <<a
                            href="mailto:brian.nisbet@heanet.ie"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">brian.nisbet@heanet.ie</a>>
                          wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">So, my thoughts on how we
                            should proceed on all of this. These are
                            just thoughts btw.<o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
                          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l1
                            level1 lfo3">
                            Present the full text to the RIPE Chair and
                            discuss next steps<o:p></o:p></li>
                          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l1
                            level1 lfo3">
                            Circulate the text to the community<o:p></o:p></li>
                          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l1
                            level1 lfo3">
                            Possible LT at RIPE78<o:p></o:p></li>
                          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l1
                            level1 lfo3">
                            Further input from the community<o:p></o:p></li>
                          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l1
                            level1 lfo3">
                            Into operation for RIPE79<o:p></o:p></li>
                        </ul>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">What I certainly don’t
                            want is wordsmithing by the community, nor
                            would I expect the WG Chairs or the PC to be
                            the CoC team.<o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">This is all pretty high
                            level, but it’s a notion? I think we would
                            need Mirijam or Amanda to make sure that HPH
                            has some cycles to look at this over the
                            next few days, without rushing him?<o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Brian<o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">Brian Nisbet<span
                                class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">Service Operations
                              Manager<o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">HEAnet CLG, Ireland's
                              National Education and Research Network<o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">1st Floor, 5 George's
                              Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland<o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">+35316609040<span
                                class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                                href="mailto:brian.nisbet@heanet.ie"
                                moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                  style="color:purple">brian.nisbet@heanet.ie</span></a><span
                                class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                                href="http://www.heanet.ie/"
                                moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                  style="color:purple">www.heanet.ie</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">Registered in Ireland,
                              No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270<o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue
                          1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt">
                          <div>
                            <div style="border:none;border-top:solid
                              #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                      lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"><span
                                      lang="EN-US"> </span></span><span
                                    lang="EN-US">Sasha Romijn <<a
                                      href="mailto:sasha@mxsasha.eu"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">sasha@mxsasha.eu</a>><span
                                      class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                    <b>Sent:</b><span
                                      class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday
                                    7 May 2019 14:43<br>
                                    <b>To:</b><span
                                      class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Brian
                                    Nisbet <<a
                                      href="mailto:brian.nisbet@heanet.ie"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">brian.nisbet@heanet.ie</a>><br>
                                    <b>Cc:</b><span
                                      class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                                      href="mailto:diversity@ripe.net"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">diversity@ripe.net</a><br>
                                    <b>Subject:</b><span
                                      class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                                    [diversity] CoC Draft & Action
                                    Items</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">The draft is waiting
                                for me to merge some more suggested
                                changes and fix some things raised in
                                the thread.<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">If all goes well, I
                                can wrap that up this week.<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">Based on the
                                responses on the draft, we seem to
                                mostly agree on it otherwise.<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">As Amanda said, there
                                is still the question of the CoC team,
                                which handles CoC incidents, and how
                                they get a mandate. I have some<span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b><u>rough</u></b><span
                                  class="apple-converted-space"> </span>thoughts
                                on that.<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">As I’ve argued
                                before, I think this role should not
                                rest with the WG chairs or with the RIPE
                                chair. The best option is likely a
                                specific CoC team. Considering the
                                structure of this community with a mix
                                of online spaces and conferences, my
                                first thought is one team, of which at
                                least 4 people should be present and
                                available at any RIPE meeting. Attending
                                (all) RIPE meetings should not be a
                                requirement, as RIPE meetings are not
                                accessible to all, so it would be
                                exclusionary. Having a single team helps
                                some continuity, ongoing development,
                                and consistency.<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">I’m not sure whether
                                we should retain the trusted contacts as
                                a separate team. I guess that could be
                                very confusing.<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">The team needs to
                                have an independent mandate, which
                                includes measures like banning of a
                                person from a conference, or terminating
                                an ongoing talk.<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">Regarding who should
                                be in it, I’m not sure how to work that
                                out within the governance models of the
                                RIPE community. In Django, the first CoC
                                committee was formed ages ago, and
                                mostly consisted of people involved in
                                introducing the CoC at the time. The
                                committee self-governs, asking for new
                                volunteers when needed. The committee
                                has a mandate from the board of the
                                Django Software Foundation, and is also
                                accountable to them. That board is in
                                turn elected by the membership of that
                                foundation. So in general there is
                                self-management and delegation of
                                mandate, but with accountability and
                                reporting. The board can intervene if
                                needed. I believe the Python Software
                                Foundation has or is working on a
                                similar model.<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">CoC team members also
                                need to know what they’re getting into,
                                and ensure they have sufficient
                                availability. Especially on-site at a
                                meeting, action may need to happen fast.
                                Which means being reachable and able to
                                change plans suddenly. Also, CoC work
                                can be emotionally intense. Sometimes
                                it’s really hard to decide whether it’s
                                a violation and what should be done,
                                sometimes incidents occur that are very
                                serious and have a heavy impact. A lot
                                of empathy work is involved. It also
                                means your own behaviour is under the
                                heaviest scrutiny of pretty much anyone
                                at the conference, because as a team
                                member you set the example of what is
                                acceptable. This extends to every
                                interaction related to the conference.
                                It means you absolutely can not get a
                                bit drunk at the party and blurt out a
                                few sexist jokes - if we fail to set an
                                example, the process falls apart (the #1
                                reason for me not to report incidents is
                                because I don’t trust the response
                                team). And, not everyone will like every
                                decision you make, so especially team
                                members from minority groups are at an
                                increased risk of abusive behaviour from
                                others. <o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">For training my first
                                choice: <a
                                  href="https://otter.technology/code-of-conduct-training/"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                    style="color:purple">https://otter.technology/code-of-conduct-training/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">I have not followed
                                this training myself yet, but I have
                                universally heard good things about it.<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">(And CoC team members
                                should not be required to pay out of
                                pocket for this, as that would be
                                exclusionary.)<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">So, a big question
                                is: within the processes of the RIPE
                                community, how does a CoC response team
                                get a mandate? To whom is it accountable
                                and how? Can it self-manage members?<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">And also essential:
                                we should prevent the CoC team from
                                being dragged into months of discussion
                                for every decision, just because one or
                                two people who don’t like it stir up
                                discussion on a mailing list - I do see
                                this as a potential risk in the RIPE
                                community due to its structure. Also, no
                                process may depend on a single person.<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">(I will not be
                                attending RIPE78 btw)<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">Sasha<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  <o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
                              <blockquote
                                style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal">On 7 May 2019,
                                      at 15:00, Brian Nisbet <<a
                                        href="mailto:brian.nisbet@heanet.ie"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                          style="color:purple">brian.nisbet@heanet.ie</span></a>>
                                      wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Folks,<br>
                                        <br>
                                        I'm just wondering, where do we,
                                        collectively, believe the action
                                        item (or similar) lies at
                                        present with the draft for the
                                        new CoC.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        From my reading there was an
                                        amount of feedback provided, but
                                        is the draft at a point where it
                                        can be officially shared with
                                        HPH, other stakeholders and the
                                        community, or is there more work
                                        to do? We have under two weeks
                                        before RIPE78 begins and I worry
                                        that we aren't in a good place
                                        to share our work (while
                                        absolutely noting that people
                                        might be waiting for me to do
                                        something?).<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Thanks,<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Brian<br>
                                        <br>
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