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<p>Just want to throw my two cents in,</p>
<p>I do not have any clue what actually happened but if what Sasha
says is correct, then I do feel like this is an issue that needs
to be addressed.</p>
<p>And regarding confidentiality it is important that the CoC
incident report emails just go to the people responsible, and that
irrelevant staff etc do not have the ability to see these emails.</p>
<p>The RIPE community is large and I do feel that there needs to be
an effective CoC incident reporting procedure.<br>
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<p>Kind regards,<br>
Cynthia<br>
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<div dir="auto">You raise some very important questions.</div>
<div dir="auto">When we introduced the Code of Conduct in the
first place, strong voices said that we do not need this.</div>
<div dir="auto">I still hear voices to the same respect, but not
as strong.</div>
<div dir="auto">We are making progress but we still have a long
way to go.</div>
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<div dir="auto"> I will have to appologise for my late reply from
your escalation of the matter. </div>
<div dir="auto">That is clearly not acceptable and I will work on
ways to improve that.</div>
<div dir="auto">(If you did not get my response, I am happy to
resend)</div>
<div dir="auto">My response does however not change the substance
of your message.<br>
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<div dir="auto">I think you point to some important improvements
that should be disscussed and implemented.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Eager to hear what the other TF members think. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 at 17:53, Sasha Romijn <<a
href="mailto:sasha@mxsasha.eu" moz-do-not-send="true">sasha@mxsasha.eu</a>>
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<br>
At the last RIPE meeting, we talked about our Code of
Conduct. I offered to<br>
send a good example. I’ve since also actually reported a CoC
incident in the<br>
RIPE community, and want to share some thoughts on that
experience.<br>
<br>
Sending a CoC example took some time, as I’ve been
refactoring and improving<br>
the CoC for the Write the Docs community. Our new CoC is:<br>
<a href="http://www.writethedocs.org/code-of-conduct/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.writethedocs.org/code-of-conduct/</a><br>
<a
href="http://www.writethedocs.org/code-of-conduct-response/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.writethedocs.org/code-of-conduct-response/</a><br>
And these are the most significant changes:<br>
<a
href="http://www.writethedocs.org/blog/new-community-coc-2019/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.writethedocs.org/blog/new-community-coc-2019/</a><br>
I’m happy to further explain the decisions behind it,<br>
if you have any questions.<br>
<br>
I will not share the full details of the incident I reported
in the RIPE<br>
community, because I prefer not to be identified as the
reporter. About<br>
four months have passed since my report, and I have not
received any reply<br>
from the wg chairs or the RIPE chair, who are the designated
contacts,<br>
other than two notes that it was being worked on. I
initially reported to<br>
the relevant working group chairs, and then escalated to the
RIPE chair,<br>
as documented in the RIPE community CoC. To my knowledge, no
action has<br>
been taken.<br>
<br>
My general impression is that none of the people listed as
CoC contacts in<br>
any part of the RIPE community are able to effectively take
action on a CoC<br>
incident. Either because this is explicitly not part of
their task (trusted <br>
contacts) or, I suspect, they lack any kind of resources or
possibly time<br>
to handle an incident. That is *not* a failure on the part
of any of these<br>
people individually, but rather caused by a flawed and
mostly absent process<br>
and mandate to act.<br>
<br>
In addition, confidentiality of CoC reports is violated in
every single report.<br>
Both wg chair mailing lists and the trusted contacts address
are moderated by<br>
NCC staff, which means an unknown person(s) can also see the
report, and<br>
reporters are not made aware of this in advance. This can
have severe<br>
consequences, and makes reporting unsafe. The RIPE chair
doesn’t seem to<br>
have any publicly listed contact address at all.<br>
<br>
Personally I feel that the ability of the RIPE community to
handle a CoC<br>
incident is so abysmal, that we would be better off not
publishing one at<br>
all, as we are now creating a false sense of security.<br>
<br>
I should also note that this was a fairly minor incident,
pretty much the most<br>
trivial kind of incident a CoC contact has to deal with. The
consequences of<br>
the lack of ability to respond properly could be very severe
in case of a more<br>
serious incident - which have taken place in the RIPE
community as well.<br>
<br>
The updated Code of Conduct for Write the Docs, along with
our response guide,<br>
handles many of these concerns specifically, so I suggest
you have a look at it,<br>
and see how it can be adopted for the RIPE community.
However, in order to have<br>
an effective CoC process, it will also require setting up
one or more response<br>
teams, which can be contacted privately, with publicly
listed membership, and<br>
most importantly, a mandate to act. Including, if needed,
immediate removal of<br>
a community member, including those in a position of power.<br>
From my personal experience, this is a quite rare measure,
but it needs to be<br>
on the table for the CoC to be effective.<br>
<br>
I’m not sure what the process would be to continue with
this, or how others<br>
feel - I’m curious to hear your ideas. But the apparent fact
that the RIPE<br>
community is currently unable to handle even the most
trivial CoC reports,<br>
makes it inherently unsafe.<br>
<br>
Sasha<br>
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