<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Sent from the road while on tour</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 15, 2017 08:25, "Leslie" <<a href="mailto:geekgirl@gmail.com">geekgirl@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Sent from the road while on tour</div><div class="quoted-text"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 15, 2017 05:00, "Malcolm Hutty" <<a href="mailto:malcolm@linx.net" target="_blank">malcolm@linx.net</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="m_2634598735638576859quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_2634598735638576859quoted-text">On 14/07/2017 15:03, Leslie wrote:<br>
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> Do you feel like the Code of Conduct<br>
> <a href="https://ripe74.ripe.net/on-site/code-of-conduct/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ripe74.ripe.net/on-sit<wbr>e/code-of-conduct/</a> and<br>
> <a href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/ripe-mailing-list-ripe-forum-code-of-conduct" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ripe.net/participa<wbr>te/mail/ripe-mailing-list-<wbr>ripe-forum-code-of-conduct</a><br>
> is not sufficient? What's it lacking?<br>
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</div>Well it certainly worth a review to see if it's fit for purpose,<br>
especially since it was simply announced without community review.<br>
<div class="m_2634598735638576859quoted-text"></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It has been around for several meetings and printed on the badges for at least the last two meetings, if not more. It's not a secret by any means. </div><div class="quoted-text"><div dir="auto"></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">HPH has also displayed and talked about the code of conduct in his opening remarks at the last several meetings. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div class="quoted-text"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2634598735638576859quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_2634598735638576859quoted-text"><br>
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>> I think we should also consider trying to actively survey former<br>
>> community participants who no longer participate, to discover if<br>
>> non-participation was motivated by a previous negative experience<br>
>> (again, prevalence); and also, if not, to discover if there was another<br>
>> identifiable lack that might be remediable.<br>
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> Giving a survey of people's experiences is a good idea, but not if it<br>
> the purpose is only to say "there's not a problem" as it is very<br>
> difficult (close to impossible) to survey people who have left the<br>
> community and people who don't feel comfortable joining in the first<br>
> place. There's survivorship bias.<br>
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</div>Thank you for your support for the idea. As I said, the purpose would<br>
be to discover the prevalence of abusive behaviour.<br>
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You will also note that I proposed actively surveying former<br>
participants specifically to counter the risk of survivorship bias.<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><div dir="auto">As I mentioned above, that is very difficult. How would you identify and reach out to the people who have left and don't feel comfortable joining? </div><div class="quoted-text"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2634598735638576859quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> Trying to be more inclusive is not disrespecting individuals or<br>
> pandering to demographic statistics.<br>
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</div>No, but setting targets for demographic statistics for our community<br>
does constitute such pandering, will inevitably lead to actions that<br>
disrespect individuals (as it prioritises their membership of an<br>
identified group over what they have to contribute) and is, in my<br>
opinion, the opposite of inclusive.<br>
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