[diversity] [ripe-list] Two Documents from the Code of Conduct Task Force

Extra points (clicked too fast send) ... very important ones in my opinion, regarding the appointment of CoC Team members.

1) Don't see the need to ask for one person from the community, and it is fair easy to fake (again same point regarding enforcement).
2) I don't agree that the Chair is the one to appoint CoC members. It should be the community (and this will solve 1 above).
3) I even less agree on "own discretion", it is prone o subjectivity, "my friends", etc., we have seen this happening already many times, here and in the IETF. Is not right, and it is discriminatory. Again, 2, solves this.
4) I'm not convinced there is an objective way to judge "emotional intelligence", and even if there is, I feel this is discriminatory, the same as considering age and gender. Again, 2 above, will solve this.


 
Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
 
 

El 14/9/22, 12:31, "diversity en nombre de JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" <diversity-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de jordi.palet at consulintel.es> escribió:

    Hi Leo, all,

    I've several inputs/questions related to both documents.

    1) I understand that if actions on someone are applied, for example, leaving the meeting, and then the appeal is in his/her favor (there was a misunderstanding, false or wrong perception of witness, etc.), there are legal risks if not properly compensated and even publicly recognized the mistake. I think we should have some text on that.

    2) I don't agree that the CoC Team, even being different persons, is the right way to take care of possible Appeals.

    3) I don't think is right to "permanently" ban anyone. It is like long-term prison, and everyone can make a mistake and correct the situation or his behavior. I understand that this will happen only in expectational circumstances, however, I feel that just having "for a period of time" is a more prudent path.

    4) Is not clear to me if someone removed from a f2f event will also be banned from the mailing lists. I understand that not?

    5) I don't think it makes any sense to "remove" someone from a virtual event. I will agree in only disallowing him to speak up.

    6) Same a 3 above, I don't think anyone can be removed permanently from a mailing list. In fact, if he/she want to keep participating, it is plain easy to create an alternative email and rejoin, even if not posting. Similarly, can happen 5 above. Should we be realistic in what we can enforce?


    Regards,
    Jordi
    @jordipalet



    El 14/9/22, 8:34, "ripe-list en nombre de Leo Vegoda" <ripe-list-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de leo at vegoda.org> escribió:

        Dear RIPE community,

        Earlier today, the Code of Conduct TF published two documents for the
        community's review.

        We updated the document describing the Code of Conduct Team's
        operational procedures based on community input. We have also
        published a document describing a selection process for the Code of
        Conduct Team.

        You can find a blog post summarising the changes and linking to the drafts here:

        https://labs.ripe.net/author/leo_vegoda/two-documents-from-the-code-of-conduct-task-force/

        Please review the documents and share feedback by the end of September.

        Comments on any aspects of either document are welcome. We're
        particularly keen to get feedback on the term length for the Code of
        Conduct Team.

        Kind regards,

        Leo Vegoda for the Code of Conduct TF

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