<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"> </div> <div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 at 17:03, denis walker via db-wg <<a href="mailto:db-wg@ripe.net">db-wg@ripe.net</a>> wrote: </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi Gert On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 at 16:05, Gert Doering <<a href="mailto:gert@space.net" target="_blank">gert@space.net</a>> wrote: > > Hi, > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 03:55:26PM +0100, denis walker via db-wg wrote: > > This new anti-spam measure is a convenient point to reflect on how one > > part of the RIPE Database is used. Notifications are just one part of > > an audit system. Many other parts are missing. To be sending out 30k > > emails a day to hundreds of thousands of email addresses stored in a > > public database as part of an incomplete audit system has to stop. > > Notification emails on this scale are a relic of the past. > > Just as a counterpoint, I do like my notification e-mails. Push > notification in case I do need to care, and *only then*. > > And I totally dislike having to actually look into some sort of > portal / web UI "is there anything I should be aware of?", because > this sort of polling is eating brain cycles for no good. But looking through lots of email notifications about changes that you already know about, because you did them, and maybe in the middle is a notification of an attempted security breach that failed on authentication (that you may miss), doesn't that also eat up brain cycles? So how about a compromise. A full audit trail of all details of all changes to all your data available by default to designated people through your portal account. Plus a daily email summarising all the changes also sent to people whose email addresses are set up in the portal account. So still no notif email addresses needed all across the database. This could even be done per maintainer. </blockquote><div> </div><div>and of course this would be optional to reduce emails sent.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> cheers denis co-chair DB-WG ======================================================== DISCLAIMER Everything I said above is my personal, professional opinion. It is what I believe to be honest and true to the best of my knowledge. No one in this industry pays me anything. I have nothing to gain or lose by any decision. I push for what I believe is for the good of the Internet, in some small way. Nothing I say is ever intended to be offensive or a personal attack. Even if I strongly disagree with you or question your motives. Politicians question each other's motives all the time. RIPE discussion is often as much about politics and self interest as it is technical. I have a style of writing that some may not be familiar with, others sometimes use it against me. I also have OCD. It makes me see the world slightly differently to others. It drives my mind's obsessive need for detail. I can not change the way I express my detailed opinions. People may choose how to interpret them. ======================================================== > > (Having a good audit trail is fine, in case I know I'm looking for > something - but I do just want to see "something under my administration > has changed", in case I do not yet know I should be looking) > > Gert Doering > -- NetMaster > -- > have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? > > SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer, > Ingo Lalla, Karin Schuler > Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann > D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) > Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: <a href="https://mailman.ripe.net/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mailman.ripe.net/</a> </blockquote></div></div>