<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"> <style type="text/css" style="display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} </style> </head> <body dir="ltr"> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Hi Cynthia,</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> with all due respect, you did say "I see it as a policy that messes up data and wastes time for no real advantage." in your original email.</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> I think bringing this up with the RIPE NCC would be a good first step to get the implementation fixed.</div> <div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Matthias Merkel</div> <div style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Staclar, Inc.</div> <div id="Signature"> <div></div> </div> </div> <div id="appendonsend"></div> <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1"> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re><br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 7, 2020 2:53 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel@staclar.com><br> <b>Cc:</b> DB-WG <db-wg@ripe.net><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [db-wg] Proposal to revert NWI-10</font> <div> </div> </div> <div> <div dir="ltr"> <div>No I don't know what caused this, and if you read my original email you will see that I said "and how to implement it in a non-messy way." because yes ofc this is an implementation issue.</div> <div>But also I don't see how this could be well implemented in a non-messy way.</div> <br clear="all"> <div> <div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_signature"> <div dir="ltr">- Cynthia</div> </div> </div> <br> </div> <br> <div class="x_gmail_quote"> <div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 2:51 PM Matthias Merkel <<a href="mailto:matthias.merkel@staclar.com">matthias.merkel@staclar.com</a>> wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote class="x_gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204); padding-left:1ex"> <div dir="ltr"> <div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> Hi Cynthia,</div> <div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> do you have any idea what may have caused this? I'd say this is likely an issue with the implementation of the proposal, not with the proposal itself.</div> <div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> Matthias Merkel</div> <div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> Staclar, Inc.</div> <div> <div id="x_gmail-m_2998666124077571314Signature"> <div> <div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <table style="color:rgb(255,255,255); font-size:medium; text-align:start; background-color:rgb(255,255,255); font-family:Arial"> <tbody> <tr> <td> <table style="width:434px"> <tbody> <tr> <td style="vertical-align:top"></td> <td style="text-align:right; vertical-align:top"></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td height="30"><br> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div id="x_gmail-m_2998666124077571314appendonsend"></div> <hr style="display:inline-block; width:98%"> <div id="x_gmail-m_2998666124077571314divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Cynthia Revström <<a href="mailto:me@cynthia.re" target="_blank">me@cynthia.re</a>><br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 7, 2020 2:49 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Matthias Merkel <<a href="mailto:matthias.merkel@staclar.com" target="_blank">matthias.merkel@staclar.com</a>><br> <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:db-wg@ripe.net" target="_blank">db-wg@ripe.net</a> <<a href="mailto:db-wg@ripe.net" target="_blank">db-wg@ripe.net</a>><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [db-wg] Proposal to revert NWI-10</font> <div> </div> </div> <div> <div dir="ltr">This is not my point, yes I could easily ask them to fix my specific case. <div><br> </div> <div>My point is that I very much doubt I am the only one who has this issue, and I only noticed it as I was looking on <a href="http://bgp.he.net" target="_blank">bgp.he.net</a> and noticed the GB flag.</div> <div><br clear="all"> <div> <div dir="ltr"> <div dir="ltr">- Cynthia</div> </div> </div> <br> </div> </div> <br> <div> <div dir="ltr">On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 2:48 PM Matthias Merkel <<a href="mailto:matthias.merkel@staclar.com" target="_blank">matthias.merkel@staclar.com</a>> wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204); padding-left:1ex"> <div dir="ltr"> <div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> Hi Cynthia,</div> <div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> ORG-ISSA10-RIPE is your LIR, right? It does indeed look like it should have a country attribute of Sweden. Did you ask the NCC about this already? Did they mention any reason for it being GB?</div> <div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <br> </div> <div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> Matthias Merkel</div> <div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)"> Staclar, Inc.</div> <div id="x_gmail-m_2998666124077571314x_gmail-m_-5655809558079271690appendonsend"> </div> <hr style="display:inline-block; width:98%"> <div id="x_gmail-m_2998666124077571314x_gmail-m_-5655809558079271690divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"> <font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Cynthia Revström <<a href="mailto:me@cynthia.re" target="_blank">me@cynthia.re</a>><br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 7, 2020 2:40 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Matthias Merkel <<a href="mailto:matthias.merkel@staclar.com" target="_blank">matthias.merkel@staclar.com</a>><br> <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:db-wg@ripe.net" target="_blank">db-wg@ripe.net</a> <<a href="mailto:db-wg@ripe.net" target="_blank">db-wg@ripe.net</a>><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [db-wg] Proposal to revert NWI-10</font> <div> </div> </div> <div> <div dir="ltr">Hi Matthias, <div><br> </div> <div>Well before NWI-10 there was no proper definition, but there is now a definition, and as a result the RIPE NCC updated the resources to GB whereas the LIR is quite obviously SE.</div> <div><br clear="all"> <div> <div dir="ltr"> <div dir="ltr">- Cynthia</div> </div> </div> <br> </div> </div> <br> <div> <div dir="ltr">On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 2:16 PM Matthias Merkel <<a href="mailto:matthias.merkel@staclar.com" target="_blank">matthias.merkel@staclar.com</a>> wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204); padding-left:1ex"> <div lang="en-DE"> <div> <p><span lang="EN-US">Hi Cynthia,<u></u><u></u></span></p> <p><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> <p><span lang="EN-US">Could you please elaborate on why the data is now invalid (what you think it is supposed to be, what it is now and what situation is causing it to be this way)? My understanding is that there was never a “proper” definition of the country field.<u></u><u></u></span></p> <p><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> <p><span lang="EN-US">Matthias Merkel<u></u><u></u></span></p> <p><span lang="EN-US">Staclar, Inc.<u></u><u></u></span></p> <p><span lang="en-DE"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> <div style="border-right:none; border-bottom:none; border-left:none; border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225); padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"> <p><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> db-wg <<a href="mailto:db-wg-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank">db-wg-bounces@ripe.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Cynthia Revström via db-wg<br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, 7 December 2020 14:04<br> <b>To:</b> DB-WG <<a href="mailto:db-wg@ripe.net" target="_blank">db-wg@ripe.net</a>><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [db-wg] Proposal to revert NWI-10<u></u><u></u></span></p> </div> <p><span lang="en-DE"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> <div> <p><span lang="en-DE">To clarify, when I said "messed up the data on my resources" I meant that the delegated file now has invalid data.<u></u><u></u></span></p> <div> <p><span lang="en-DE">And invalid data that is supposed to be correct is a lot worse than incorrect data that is just provided by the resource holder.<u></u><u></u></span></p> </div> <div> <p><span lang="en-DE"><br clear="all"> <u></u><u></u></span></p> <div> <div> <div> <p><span lang="en-DE">- Cynthia<u></u><u></u></span></p> </div> </div> </div> <p><span lang="en-DE"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> </div> </div> <p><span lang="en-DE"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> <div> <div> <p><span lang="en-DE">On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 1:58 PM Cynthia Revström <<a href="mailto:me@cynthia.re" target="_blank">me@cynthia.re</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p> </div> <blockquote style="border-top:none; border-right:none; border-bottom:none; border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204); padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt"> <div> <div> <p><span lang="en-DE">Apologies if this email is a bit impolite.<u></u><u></u></span></p> </div> <div> <p><span lang="en-DE"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> </div> <div> <p><span lang="en-DE">From the start NWI-10 seemed like a pointless policy to me and just a policy that was made because the db-wg wanted to make more policies.<u></u><u></u></span></p> </div> <div> <p><span lang="en-DE"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> </div> <div> <p><span lang="en-DE">But as it has already messed up the data on my resources, I see it as a policy that messes up data and wastes time for no real advantage.<u></u><u></u></span></p> </div> <div> <p><span lang="en-DE"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> </div> <div> <p><span lang="en-DE">Hence I suggest that we revert NWI-10 unless someone actually has a good reason for why the legal address needs to match the delegated file, and how to implement it in a non-messy way.<u></u><u></u></span></p> </div> <div> <p><span lang="en-DE"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> </div> <div> <div> <div> <p><span lang="en-DE">- Cynthia<u></u><u></u></span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </body> </html>